This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mimeat_private for more info. -------=--------=====-===---==---==-=====-==--=--- Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.980616055444.4479Iat_private> Reply From: emerson <emersonat_private-net.com> Posted To: dc-stuffat_private >>Then, ICSA tests a client's security by using typical hacker methods, >>through its 100 or so employees, none of whom are reformed hackers. >>ICSA believes, along with executives at International Business Machines >>Corp. who perform "ethical" hacking on its customers, that there is no >>such thing as a reformed hacker. > >As for "none of whom are reformed hackers" do they mean non of their >hacker have reformed? :-) > >I have heard ISS say the same thing and we all know how many >people on #!r00t work for ISS .... I take serious issue with some of the figures being quoted in these articles. If you were losing up to a _billion_ dollars a year, I think you would have done something about it now. Furthermore your shareholders would have gone ape-shit and demanded you do something. Losses on the scame quoted by the "experts" would have caused a major panic. IMHO this article has a high bullshit quotient, and I would dearly love to know : a) Who these so called experts are b) where they got their figures from c) Some documentary evidence to back up their claims. When ppl write up up this kind of article, I wish they would fully justify their claims instead of generating more hype. Whilst good for firewall and encrypting router sales, this sort of hype does the H/P community no good (obviously) and makes people uneccesaily paranoid, and makes the little people ,who can't afford the (IMHO) astronomical sums that you have to pay for security products, unwilling to get hooked up. This leaves the big boys to do e-commerce and reap the benefits. This sort of scaremongering sucks. Em ===Then and Now========= Then: "I got bigger stick than you. Do what I say or I will maim you" Now: "I got bigger nuke than you. Do what I say or I will vapourise you" Evolution:0 Stupidity:1. Who says man is evolving? Brought to you by Emerson <emersonat_private-net.com><ICQ 13396569> -------=--------=====-===---==---==-=====-==--=----- -o- Subscribe: mail majordomoat_private with "subscribe isn". Today's ISN Sponsor: Repent Security Incorporated [www.repsec.com]
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