Re: [ISN] Scriptkiddies, China and U.S.

From: Cancer Omega (comegaat_private)
Date: Sun Apr 15 2001 - 13:13:04 PDT

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    On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, Talisker wrote:
    > I've noticed a marked increase of defaced Chinese sites in the last few
    > days, this latest China vs USA cybergraffiti is becoming reminiscent of
    > the tit for tat defacements between the Palestinian and Israeli sites a
    > few months ago.
    It's a hit and miss affair, largely comprised of various individuals with
    their own *non-politically-motivated* agenda.
    > These trends are often perceived as being a barometer for public
    > feeling, though the defacers are usually a small handful of groups
    > devoting a lot of time to their "cause".  The article makes a valid
    > point, the guy was defacing Chinese sites long before he found his "just
    > cause".  The defacers often change their tune from "we deface coz it's
    > fun" to "we deface to improve security" the transition usually takes a
    > few months.
    Bull.  These don't indicate any trend of any sort, unless you want to buy
    into the idiocy that holds that every .com defacement is "proof" that all
    "hackers" are anti-commerce.
    > Having said all that, gone are the days when a nations borders prevented
    > the general populus from having direct contact with a potential
    > adversary.  There are groups who seem to project a genuine political
    > agenda, G-Force Pakistan and Herbless to name but two.  I was recently
    > introduced to the term "asymmetric warfare" which seems to describe
    > their actions quite well (Asymmetric warfare focuses whatever
    > comparative advantages one side has against the other side's relative
    > vulnerabilities or weaknesses)
    If defacements qualify as an instrument of war, then my butt is a musical
    instrument and a fart is a whole note.
    > For the most part these defacements are harmless, as most Internet facing
    > websites reside outside the network perimeter, with the obvious exception of
    > the companies that rely on these sites for their business, the greatest loss
    > for these targets is kudos.
    Can you restate that?  That run-on made no sense to me.
    > defacement sites
    Take a look at my e-mail address.  I know about defacement sites.
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