Forwarded from: Jei <jeiat_private> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:03:37 -0600 From: Aimee Farr <aimee.farrat_private> Reply-To: Law & Policy of Computer Communications <CYBERIA-Lat_private> To: CYBERIA-Lat_private Subject: Cybercrime treaty, protective principle and cyberwar http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/23036.html US assumes global cyber-police authority By Mark Rasch Posted: 27/11/2001 at 10:32 GMT ... Nevertheless, these cases demonstrate an important principle of international law -- the so-called "protective principle." ... Interesting article, courtesy of Hettinga's list. Q: Can the lawyers here square the "protective principle" of the law of nations with the reach of the cybercrime treaty, given that we've traditionally invoked it where an extraterritorial crime directly affects its nationals with a fairly strong connection? (i.e., an agent is shot in a foreign country.) I support criminal prosecution for extraterritorial acts where appropriate, but the seminal cases involving extraordinary rendition (forcible abduction) often offend my sense of justice, and do not give me great confidence that we will abstain from over-reaching. For example, in Yunis, the hijacker had already spent seven years in a Malta prison when we lured him to international waters to bring him to the U.S. for prosecution. United States v. Yunis, 924 F.2d 1086. The Toscanio exception (500/F2d/267) to the Ker-Frisbie Doctrine of "kidnapping is okay" seems to only apply in gross situations, such as those involving torture. See also United States v. Alvarez-Machain (who just recovered civil damages in September), 504 U.S. 655 (1992). We got Noriega by military invasion. A means upon which to base a refusal to a demand for extradition is the "political offense" exception. Cyberwarfare won't qualify under some current court interpretations unless it's for a recognized "uniform-wearing" military organization conducting itself under the "laws of war," and the act meets territorial limitations (i.e., the act happens in the country of the uprising). See Quinn v. Robinson, 783/F2d/776. Legally, it doesn't sound like a "political uprising" could be dispersed and virtual. If a political hacker ring messed with "EVIL Country X" somehow, and fled to the U.S., my reading of current case law doesn't make it sound like we have grounds to refuse extradition unless they wore uniforms, had a chain of command, were involved in a realspace violent rebellion of CNN-caliber with some measure of critical mass, acted from within the target country, and their act didn't mess with notions of "international terrorism" or "cybercrime." With the "freedom fighter" or "terrorist" question extended to cyberspace, I hope we haven't foreclosed the question. If so, I can envision a circumstance where I would find that difficult to square with our democratic principles and support of human rights. Targets in cyberspace are varied -- it's not a "universality" blood-crime like hijacking. Q: Can some of you cyberwizards give me your thoughts (privately) on what a "virtual rebellion," or "virtual insurgency" might look like, and how it might come about? What book best examines concepts of cyber-rebellion in nation states? Sounds like it could be more effective, require fewer people, and be less blood-letting than traditional resistance -- so people would use it. I note some countries are backpeddling on democracy and taking extreme isolationist positions. They obviously fear we could empower some sort of virtual insurgency, which smacks of something beyond mere ideological subversion. ~Aimee ********************************************************************** For Listserv Instructions, see http://www.lawlists.net/cyberia Off-Topic threads: http://www.lawlists.net/mailman/listinfo/cyberia-ot Need more help? Send mail to: Cyberia-L-Requestat_private ********************************************************************** - ISN is currently hosted by Attrition.org To unsubscribe email majordomoat_private with 'unsubscribe isn' in the BODY of the mail.
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