[ISN] Security 'impossible' for Win9x, buy XP now, says MS exec

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Date: Fri Nov 15 2002 - 03:21:55 PST

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    By John Lettice
    Posted: 14/11/2002 at 12:41 GMT
    Yesterday Microsoft senior VP and head trustworthy computing honcho
    Craig Mundie delivered his 'annual report' on the company's
    trustworthy computing initiative. He had much to say about the
    progress that has been made since Microsoft discovered security, but
    the bit that interested us was way down the bottom of this, where he
    explained why people are going to have to ditch their old MS stuff and
    buy lots of lovely new MS stuff instead.
    He begins with a graph, which regrettably we do not have, but clearly
    it illustrates the deployed population of different versions of
    Windows within a total active user base of approximately 400 million.  
    He notes that the "single largest bump on this graph is Windows 95,"  
    while "the newest systems, the ones that have had all this work [all
    what work? Security work, allegedly, anyway] done to them are down
    here in these little slices. They're the ones that are in the earliest
    stages of deployment."
    This is not good. Not good for security, not good for Microsoft, not
    good for the economy. "And what society is doing and we're doing as a
    business is dragging around behind us a giant tail of systems that, of
    course, were built and deployed quite a long time ago." Tut. Society
    is to blame. As well as Microsoft, that is.
    "If we wanted to go out, and some days I think about the challenge
    that we face and we say, oh, if you have to do this with the conscious
    effort of real people it would be roughly many times worse than just
    saying, okay, we just want to get every single person in New York City
    to do the same thing today to their computer system, please to fix it
    today. And even if it was just New York City you'd have a tough time.  
    The reality is we have the equivalent of about 30 or 40 New York
    Cities that all want to in some sense move together or get repaired in
    one fell swoop."
    And here comes the axe: "So we know that in practice it's impossible
    for us to remediate the threats that we know exist in the world today
    in systems that were designed in 1991, '2 and '3 and deployed in '95
    and which are actively still in use today... Now, we know that these
    waves just keep rolling through and they will ultimately change, but
    it shows how long the threat exists of bad things happening and why
    it's not completely possible to fix every old system.
    "The message here is that there will have to be two tradeoffs that
    have to be made, and to some extent the events of last September have
    facilitated us in making one of those tradeoffs or changes."
    Windows 95, and presumably the decidedly similar Windows 98, will be
    tossed to the wolves, reluctantly and begrudgingly: "We have decided
    that we will begrudgingly forsake certain app compatibility things
    when, in fact, they don't allow us to have a default configuration
    that opts for more security. In the past, the biggest thing that
    happened to us was IT managers would come to the company and say, hey,
    all those new features, they're great, all that new security stuff,
    that's great, but whatever you do don't break my app. So just turn it
    all off and trust me, we'll fix the apps and then we'll turn it all
    on. And the reality is that never happened.
    "And so we're going to tell people that even if it means we're going
    to break some of your apps we're going to make these things more
    secure and you're just going to have to go back and [here comes the
    tab] pay the price."
    Naturally, being secure is going to cost money, but if you are
    insecure because you're unprepared to fot that bill, then your
    insecurity stems from your own irresponsibility: "And the other thing
    is that the customers, whether they're individuals or corporations,
    are going to have to make a decision about when and how much they
    spend to get these machines to be more secure. And to some extent you
    can do it by insulating them, to some extent you can do it by putting
    things around them or in front of them that protect them, you know,
    firewalls in some sense. And then in some cases, you can just replace
    them when you get new machines or new software or both that have
    intrinsically better capabilities.
    "But I think one of the things that we say, and even if you look at
    the national cyber security plan that was put forth, Dick Clark and
    the people at the White House have realized that security is going to
    cost some money, whether it's having a new transportation safety
    authority to make people feel like they have more security in the
    airport or spending other things on homeland defense. It isn't free,
    and to some extent as the threat models continue to emerge in new
    ways, then we are all going to collectively have to spend more, both
    in the development and maintenance of these machines if we're going to
    be secure."
    Mundie also, incidentally, had a few words to say about Longhorn,
    first indicating that it was still a couple of years off, then this:
    "So Longhorn, which will be the next big version of Windows -- the
    rights management architecture, the underlying Palladium, which is the
    codename for our system working with the hardware folks to create a
    trusted security environment within the hardware framework -- all of
    these things will be there."
    The "rights management architecture" is a particularly interesting
    component, because it sounds rather like it will be the Windows half
    of the Palladium deal we reported on last week.
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