Forwarded from: security curmudgeon <jerichoat_private> To: Declan McCullagh <declanat_private> cc: InfoSec News <isnat_private>, <abuseat_private>, <abuseat_private>, <abuseat_private> Once again, we have been flagged as spammers by the cluebags over at spamcop.net, who we have had a run-in or two with before. This time, they go even above and beyond their previous levels of stupidity. For the past year, I have been agressive on reporting spam and maintaining a custom list of blocked domains/relays that is used on attrition.org. For every piece of spam that came in, I would blackhole them on our system, then report them to abuse@(their isp). I would send all Nigerian Scam mail to the appropriate address at treasury.gov (419.fcdat_private). For domains that didn't maintain abuse/postmaster contacts, I would report them to rfc-ignorant.org and further blacklist their entire domain from mailing attrition. WHat did this behavior get me? Listed on spamcop *again*. http://spamcop.net/w3m?action=checkblock&ip=66.80.146.7 Notice the two pieces of mail they show currently. Both of them are my reports of spam to other ISPs. In each case, I mailed their abuse@ contact, included full headers, and prefaced the subject with "SPAM:" so they could clearly identify the mail. Given that I am reporting the mail TO THEM via their abuse contact, the headers have THEIR IP space, it should be trivial to understand what is happening here. Instead, globalvision.net and infosat.net apparently felt the need to send my mail in and complain of spamming. Here is the mail I sent to the abuse address at globalvision.net (still in my sent-mail). In turn for me reporting globalvision spam, they send my complaint to spamcop reporting *me* for spamming. And as we all know, spamcop will play the part of the blind sheep and dutifully blackhole us w/o question, even though they KNOW (from previous contact) we are as anti-spam as you can get. Their claims of not being able to change their system are complete lies, as the most trivial system can account for whitelisting domains. Of course, what is SpamCop's stance on this? http://spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/298.html In short, "too bad", I have no recourse for their stupidity. I'm still amazed that anyone would support these ass clowns in any way. Brian Martin Attrition.org ps: if anyone from spamcop bothers to reply, do so from a different domain. you have been blacklisted on attrition.org since Oct 1, 2000 for your past antics, lack of cooperation in resolving this same type of issue, and for *spamming us* (ironic eh?). Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 23:59:29 -0400 (EDT) From: security curmudgeon <jerichoat_private> To: <abuseat_private> Subject: SPAM: Need money for new car, pay off bills? 8730mKyr0-098Fsbb13-18 (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0304082359120.30814-100000at_private> X-NoSpam: You do not have consent to spam me. X-Attrition: Attrition is only good when forced. http://www.attrition.org X-Copyright: This e-mail copyright 2003 by jerichoat_private where applicable X-Encryption: rot26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0304082359122.30814at_private> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Return-Path: <marykirtlandwbcpat_private> Received: from hotmail.com ([216.105.151.186]) by forced.attrition.org (8.11.6/3.8.9) with SMTP id h390x7K21385; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 20:59:08 -0400 Message-ID: <000711b8ee15$bde21246$57288083at_private> From: <marykirtlandwbcpat_private> To: <comegaat_private> Cc: <errataat_private>, <jerichoat_private>, <marethat_private> Subject: Need money for new car, pay off bills? 8730mKyr0-098Fsbb13-18 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 10:41:45 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E8_08C67C6A.D5558B10" X-Priority: 1 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal [actual spam deleted to avoid your filters flagging it incorrectly] - ISN is currently hosted by Attrition.org To unsubscribe email majordomoat_private with 'unsubscribe isn' in the BODY of the mail.
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