Re: [Full-Disclosure] Re: Syscall implementation could lead to whether or not a file exists

From: andrewgat_private
Date: Sun Apr 06 2003 - 16:32:03 PDT

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    > Hi!
    >
    >> 	After a while of experimentation, I found that the following
    >> 	formuala seems to be relatively decent at avoiding false
    >> 	positivites, on my RH box.
    >>
    >> 		cutoff = ((success_time + failure_time) / 3) - 2
    >>
    >> 	This is somewhat dependant on the load on the box, and where the
    >> 	file is located, though it appears.
    >>
    >> 	On some OS's (notably freebsd in my testing) it will store the
    >> 	results of into its cache (different to linux, in the sense that  it
    >> 	throws
    >> off the algo above.). Thus, if you just create a file 		and
    time
    >> open()ing that, then compare it with a file that has
    >> 	been recently opened, you don't get a fair comparsision.
    >>
    >>
    >> Fix:
    >>
    >> 	No known fix exists. Not exactly sure whether a fix is
    >> 	appropiate, as the kernel is meant to be as fast as possible.
    >
    > Umm, this is nasty. Random delay in "return -EPERM" path would not
    > help; making sure every syscall returning EPERM last at least 20usec
    > would but implementing that would be hard.
    
    Under linux, I would think you could do this in the return from the calling
    of sys_call_table easily, in the interrupt handler ;)
    
    However, extending the time the interrupt takes, imo, is bad.
    
    > 								Pavel
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    Thanks,
    Andrew Griffiths
    
    
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