Re: [Full-Disclosure] Re: Buffer overflow prevention

From: KF (dotslashat_private)
Date: Thu Aug 14 2003 - 09:51:05 PDT

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    Hrmm why does this bring HP to mind... oh yeah I remember...
    
    HP-> "... oh you say you found a bunch of overflows... that does not 
    matter... there is no way you will bypass our non-executable stack.. we 
    are not going to fix any of them... we are gonna let em fester... our 
    non-exec stack is Hack proof"
    
    (time elapse... 2 months)
    
    SNO-> "...oh yeah we bypassed your non-exec stack and have successfully 
    exploited several of those overflows we told you about a few months ago...
    bash-2.05a$ id
    uid=201(dotslash) gid=15(users) groups=0(system)
    bash-2.05a$ ./TRU64_su
    # id
    uid=0(root) gid=15(users) groups=15(users),0(system)
    # sysconfig -q proc executable_stack
    proc:
    executable_stack = 0
    (hrmm your stack REALLY helped out)
    
    HP-> "ok thanks we will procede to sue you now"
    
    -KF
    
    > 
    > It's been proved many times that non-executable stack adds NO security at
    > all.
    > Every single class of vulnerabilities exploitable with executable stack
    > can be also exploited with non-executable stack.
    > See for example our article (http://www.phrack.org/show.php?p=56&a=5)
    > which shows how to bypass a stack protector even with a non-executable
    > stack.
    > 
    > What we're discussing here is an internal structures and data protecting.
    > IMHO the ProPolice (http://www.research.ibm.com/trl/projects/security/ssp/),
    > is the best protection in this kind, even comparing to "two stack"
    > approach.
    > Beside that it's an existing, well tested and wide used (for example
    > OpenBSD uses it by default now).
    > I see no real reason why the major Linux companies are not using it for
    > its products.
    > 
    > Best regards,
    > 
    > --
    > Mariusz Woloszyn
    > Internet Security Specialist, GTS - Internet Partners
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