Re: Heterogeneity as a form of obscurity, and its usefulness

From: Crispin Cowan (crispinat_private)
Date: Thu Aug 21 2003 - 20:56:51 PDT

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    Bob Rogers wrote:
    
    >   Heterogeneity increases survivability of the *species*, but does little 
    >   to protect the individual . . .
    >
    >I don't think that stands up, at least not for digital species.  I can
    >run Apache on Linux/x86, for which tons of shellcode is available, or I
    >can run the same version of Apache on Linux/sparc, for which much less
    >is available, and exists within a smaller and more specialized
    >community....
    >
    >   . . . At most, you could say that running the most common system
    >   makes you somewhat more vulnerable to attack, and you should take
    >   that into consideration when planning your security.
    >
    These statements seem to agree. Is there a point?
    
    >Yes; and it would be interesting (though probably difficult) to quantify
    >that.
    >
    It is difficult to quantify just about any security benefit.
    
    >   So heterogeneity is really just security by obscurity, dressed up to
    >   sound pretty . . .
    >
    >Seems to me that obscurity is the *only* defence against exploits for
    >unpublished/unpatched vulnerabilities that are spreading in the cracker
    >community; if you can avoid being a target, by whatever means, then you
    >are ahead of the game.
    >
    Now that is just not true. All of the technologies in the previous 
    thread (StackGuard, PointGuard, ProPolice, PaX, W^X, etc.) have some 
    capacity to resist attacks based on unpublished/unpatched 
    vulnerabilities. That is their entire purpose.
    
    Crispin
    
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