The consensus at my workplace is that since 1. Ward Weaver's dad is on death row in CA for putting a body underneath a concrete pad ( copy cat? ) that he may have had his son, Ward, dig. 2. Previous investigator's Dogs had gotten 'hits' on the property 3. Ward Weaver's son identified him as the suspect 4. Ward Weaver's ex claimed there was a storage area underneath the concrete pad 5. The concrete pad was poured just after the first disappearance 6. Ward Weaver failed a poly graph 7. They are investigating a predatory and active serial killer aren't they! 8. ( Insert some I missed here.... ) the issue isn't criminal's rights but why this avalanche of circumstances came to light and was ignored as some combination should have justified a judge issuing a search warrant long before this weekend. Was not Ward Weaver's son's girlfriend, alledgedly raped by Ward Weaver, not only a victim of these delays but probably an escaped 3rd victim as indicated by the strangulation bruising reportedly about her neck? While I applaud the spirit of your heartfelt suggestion the FBI may be doing a serious job of CYA and we should demand details of both that and just who these judges are that showed such poor 'judgement' in ignoring such a cavalcade of circumstantial evidence... Before we try to 'fix' the system we should name some names of those responsible for overseeing that system and hold them accountable. Though thankfully the victim's families do not feel betrayed in my gut I sense they seriously and repeatedly blew it... My 2c... -----Original Message----- From: Tao, Greg [mailto:greg.tao@private] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 12:32 PM To: 'crime@private' Subject: CRIME idea to help police respond to life-threatening abductions more e ffectively Hello, This is only partially off-topic. While it is not a computer-related matter, our group has a lot of law enforcement and criminal prosecution experience, so I figure this is about as good a place as any to float this idea. Let me know what you think of it... MOTIVATION Maybe some good can come out of the deaths of Ashley Pond and Miranda Gaddis, the 2 Oregon City girls whose bodies have been found on the property previously occupied by Ward Weaver. I have long believed that too often our laws or the courts' interpretation of the laws does not allow for common sense measures that could increase public safety while not infringing on our Constitutional rights. PROBLEM STATEMENT When responding to abductions/disappearances, law enforcement is hindered by the stringent requirements for getting search warrants. Today, law enforcement needs to convince a judge that probable cause for search exists. It's something along the lines that you have to explain why you think the person who is the target of the warrant is somehow involved, what you are going to search, and what you expect to find. PROPOSAL Change the law to allow quicker and more flexible searches of people and property in cases where a person's life may be at risk (e.g. abduction or disappearance of a child). This change in the law would in effect create a standing search warrant to look for a missing person at any location of interest to law enforcement. Law enforcement would be authorized to search any part of the property where a human body could be hidden (e.g. crawl space), using reasonable search tools and methods (e.g. dogs trained to locate human beings or bodies based on a scent provided to them prior to the commencement of the search). In the case of e-mail, law enforcement would be authorized to request from the victim's ISP access to email and relevant logs going back as far as needed for the purpose of aiding in the identification of potential persons of interest and material witnesses. WOULD A CHANGE IN THE LAW LIKE THIS HAVE SAVED LIVES IN THE OREGON CITY CASE? Who knows. Hindsight is 20/20, but the proposed change would have provided the opportunity to search the residences and vehicles of all persons with whom Ashley Pond was known to associate. Crimes of this nature have been shown time and time again to involve persons known to the victim, usually within close proximity. It is possible that early action might have prevented her murder, or resulted in the apprehension of the perpetrator shortly after the fact, thus preventing the murder of Miranda Gaddis. This is all speculation, but it is based on common sense. RATIONALE FOR THE PROPOSAL - WHY THE BENEFITS OUTWEIGH THE COSTS This proposal is based on common sense. If a house is burning down, firemen don't ask permission to enter and save lives. They just enter and save lives, cutting through walls if necessary. If we as a society want to get serious about protecting our children and getting criminals off the street, we need to get past the over-simplification of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution. We don't, after all, consider firemen in violation of civil rights when they rush into a burning building to save lives. Likewise, law enforcement must be liberated to be able to conduct reasonable searches of places of interest in a timely manner when life is on the line and minutes count. While there are usually no raging fires in cases of abductions, there is always a group of individuals that the victim knew, some of which may be of more interest than others due to things like past accusations of inappropriate sexual contact. Though personal associations are more subtle than a burning building, they are nevertheless most always connected to abductions that result in murder. I welcome your feedback, including any tips about how to get this idea refined and submitted for consideration by the US Justice Department, the Oregon State Legislature, or the Oregon voters. Thanks, Greg Tao greg.tao@private Disclaimer: These are my personal views and opinions, not the views and opinions of my employer.
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