CRIME Fwd: FW: [ISN] Voting-Machine Makers To Fight Security Criticism

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Date: Fri Dec 12 2003 - 01:43:57 PST

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    Interesting question. I'm forced to wonder this myself.
    
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    > Subject: Re: [ISN] Voting-Machine Makers To Fight Security Criticism
    
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    > Forwarded from: Henry Schwan <owlswan@private>
    >
    > An important question to be asked is if all the other electronic
    > machines that Diebold and others make leave a paper trail, why was
    the
    > paper trail in voting machines specifically left out.  See:
    >
    > No Confidence Vote: Why the Current Touch Screen Voting Fiasco Was
    
    > Pretty Much Inevitable
    >
    > <http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20031204.html>
    >
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    > Now here's the really interesting part.  Forgetting for a moment
    > Diebold's voting machines, let's look at the other equipment they
    > make.  Diebold makes a lot of ATM machines.  They make machines that
    > sell tickets for trains and subways.  They make store checkout
    > scanners, including self-service scanners.  They make machines that
    > allow access to buildings for people with magnetic cards.  They make
    > machines that use magnetic cards for payment in closed systems like
    > university dining rooms.  All of these are machines that involve data
    > input that results in a transaction, just like a voting machine.  But
    > unlike a voting machine, every one of these other kinds of Diebold
    > machines -- EVERY ONE -- creates a paper trail and can be audited.
    
    > Would Citibank have it any other way?  Would Home Depot?  Would the
    > CIA?  Of course not.  These machines affect the livelihood of their
    > owners.  If they can't be audited they can't be trusted.  If they
    > can't be trusted they won't be used.
    >
    > Now back to those voting machines.  If EVERY OTHER kind of machine
    you
    > make includes an auditable paper trail, wouldn't it seem logical to
    > include such a capability in the voting machines, too?  Given that
    > what you are doing is adapting existing technology to a new purpose,
    
    > wouldn't it be logical to carry over to voting machines this
    > capability that is so important in every other kind of transaction
    > device?
    >
    > This confuses me.  I'd love to know who said to leave the feature out
    > and why?
    >
    > Next week: the answer.
    >
    > InfoSec News wrote:
    >
    > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47436-2003Dec8.html
    > >
    > > By Jonathan Krim
    > > Washington Post Staff Writer
    > > December 9, 2003
    > >
    > > Electronic-voting-machine companies announced yesterday that they
    > > are banding together to counter mounting concerns about whether
    > > their machines are secure enough to withstand tampering by hackers.
    >
    >
    > --
    > Sincerely,
    >
    > Henry Schwan
    > Paralegal
    > Electronic Frontier Foundation
    >
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