Re: RE: Special case in investigation

From: António (amateusat_private)
Date: Sun Sep 16 2001 - 13:04:38 PDT

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    Hi,
    
    Straight answer: Yes, a hacker _can_ delete specifics entrys in a log file,
    _IF_ he had permissions to that!
    
    Let's see a example:
    I found a server that have the unicode bug. I play around a while. All my
    requests are logged in the server. I wait for the change of the logfile (I
    cannot change it because it's in use) and then delete it, if I have
    permissions.
    Other example: With the unicode bug i sucessfully upload and execute a
    trojan (for example one that gives me remote shell). I now have system
    permissions (same as IIS account) and then change the logfile (I do not
    delete) and replace my IP by, lets say, the IP of the webserver ;). Or
    other one.
    The point is: if the hacker has _permissions_, than he could change the
    logs. If he exploit a bug that give him a shell with system or
    administrator permissions, then he will definitely change the logs.
    
    António Mateus
    
    > Hello All,
    > 
    >	Basically, the defaced web file on the victim has really got
    modified.
    > Based on the timestamp, we really can confirmed that the web file has
    been
    > changed at the time when people report the defaced web.
    > 
    >	In other words, only DNS poisoning should not be able to provide
    the same
    > result. So can you think of any other reason? Besides, I think we have
    also
    > installed but disabled the IIS Frontpage extension.
    > 
    >	But, I would like to know whether the hacker can remove particular
    entries
    > in IIS Log and Event Log? Can he/she remove entries of particular time
    zone?
    > 
    >	Thanks.
    > 
    > Ricci
    > 
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Blurred Vision [mailto:blurred_visi0nat_private]
    > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:49 PM
    > To: FORENSICSat_private
    > Cc: ricciat_private
    > Subject: re: Special case in investigation
    > 
    > 
    > Ricci,
    >   Could it have been a nameserver compromise? They may
    > have modified the zone file, and replaced it.  It
    > would certainly explain the total lack of evidence...
    > and also the 'round' number you reported the server
    > was 'defaced' for. 15 minutes could well be the
    > nameserver TTL etc...
    > 
    > my thoughts anyway...
    > 
    > BluRRed
    > 
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