FW: Firewalls, PC static routes, gateways

From: dave.goldsmithat_private
Date: Tue Jan 04 2000 - 08:04:13 PST

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    -----Original Message-----
    From: Goldsmith, Dave 
    Sent: Monday, January 03, 2000 9:46 PM
    To: 'Randy Witlicki'
    Subject: RE: Firewalls, PC static routes, gateways
    
    
    The PIXes (PIXs, PIXii, hmm, what is the plural?) do not do redirects.
    
    One alternative would be to set all of the machines default gateway to be
    the "other" gateway and have that device call out specific routes for the
    networks behind it and then end with a default route that redirects all
    other traffic to the PIX.  What is your other gateway device and can it do
    redirects?
    
    Another alternative would be to toss an inexpensive router inline with three
    interfaces:
      1 to the firewall (outbound traffic)
      1 to the other gateway
      1 to the inner network (with all your Win9x/NT boxes)
    
    R/S
    
    Dave Goldsmith
    goldsdat_private
    
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Randy Witlicki [mailto:randy.witlickiat_private]
    Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2000 6:44 PM
    To: firewall-wizardsat_private
    Subject: Firewalls, PC static routes, gateways
    
    
       Hello,
    
       I'm wondering if anybody has come up with a reasonable
    solution to static routes for Windows 95/98/NT laptop users
    in networks with a firewall and *another* gateway.
       If we have a setup where:
        - The default route points to the firewall on the local
    network, and;
        - You need an additional route to point to a gateway for
    some private network (either via VPN or a private (leased line
    or frame relay) link).
        (e.g.: the route to 0.0.0.0 is 10.0.0.1 and the route to
    172.16.0.0/16 is 10.0.0.2)
    
       Specific problems I have run into include:
    
       - With a PIX firewall, even you don't mind having packets
    bounce off the PIX inside interface, it won't let you.  If you
    have a "route inside" statement, you get an error of the form:
        106011: Deny inbound (No xlate) tcp
             src inside:X.X.X.X/1047 dst inside:Y.Y.Y.Y/23
         Which is the PIX's way of saying it refuses to receive a
    packet on the inside interface and resend it to a gateway
    on the inside.  So you need a route on each host inside.
    
       - If you have a "route add" in a startup .BAT file on a 95 or
    98 PC or a "route add -p" on an NT PC, if it is a laptop and that
    laptop travels to the remote network the "route add" is pointing
    at, then you need a .BAT file to reverse the startup .BAT file.
    I assume you might have similar problems with a *nix laptop.
        Is there a way to get one of these systems to listen to
    RIP or something similar ?
        I think I can do this with DHCP, but at least one of the
    networks involved is very small and it would be nice to avoid
    having to to setup a DHCP server (and having one more server
    piece to depend on).
    
       Thanks in advance for any advice and help !
    
        - Randy
       -
    



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