Re: [fw-wiz] handy list of undesireble foreign networks

miedanerat_private

I seriously doubt you will the cooperation of any nations on the US "list" if you are a US based entity.

arkat_private wrote:

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> nuqneH,
>
> - From my expirience there is no such thing as uncooperative nations - there
> are uncooperative organizations all around the world and that does matter.
>
> There is major problem with some asian companies including ISPs who do not have abuse service that have english skills good enough to communicate and this seem
> to be most annoying. But there are really few who are not _willing_ to cooperate.
> Could you please name at least _one_ _country_ that causes trouble on the net?
>
> Tony Miedaner <miedanerat_private> said :
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> > Hostile and uncooperative nations probably should be filtered as they could become a
> > haven for hackers (and probably are) for whatever reasons - I think this does reduce
> > the threat in a way.  At a minimum it would be useful to identify these networks on
> > an IDS system, IMHO.
> >
> > Going out on a limb here you could argue that countries where there could be no
> > cooperation in pursuing computer criminals should be blocked.  It would be far safer
> > for a US based person to launch a US directed attack from a machine in a foreign
> > country that is hostile to the US.
> >
> > There is another side to this I suppose in that the size and fragmentation of the
> > networks may make such a list impossible to implement except possibly in an IDS
> > system.
> >
> > arkat_private wrote:
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> > > nuqneH,
> > >
> > > I think the whole idea is not good at all. Poorly protected
> > > cable tv or *dsl users, ill-behaving ISP or something else like that are no less
> > > treat to Internet security. There is no reason to maintain a list of "hostile
> > > national networks" if an intruder can bypass any rules by hacking into US-based
> > > system and then go wherever he wants.
> > >
> > > "Bowden, Kevin" <bowden_kwat_private> said :
> > >
> > > > In our last NIPC Chapter meeting we asked for just such a list.  We thought
> > > > the FBI would be a good source for this information.  It may be that the
> > > > information will only be available to those who have cleared their screening
> > > > process.  That is of course assuming that the information is available and
> > > > provided at all.  Besides this, I have had no luck finding other sources for
> > > > this data other than keeping an eye on the news and doing my own
> > > > cyber-sleuthing.
> > > >
> > > > Kevin
> > > >
> > > >  -----Original Message-----
> > > > From:         Tony Miedaner [mailto:miedanerat_private]
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 2:03 PM
> > > > To:   firewall-wizardsat_private
> > > > Subject:      [fw-wiz] handy list of undesireble foreign networks
> > > >
> > > > Hi folks,
> > > >
> > > > Any body know where I can get a quick list of networks used in various
> > > > non-friendly foriegn nations?  I know it would not be perfect (because
> > > > of provider allocation) but something that could be used as a baseline
> > > > for screening evil and such.  Any RTBL or ORBS type lists out there for
> > > > general tcp/ip traffic?
>
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