Re: [fw-wiz] Variations of firewall ruleset bypass via FTP

pjklistat_private

> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 15:49:12 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Paul Robertson <probertsat_private>
> To: Darren Reed <darrenrat_private>
> Cc: Mikael Olsson <mikael.olssonat_private>,
>  <firewall-wizardsat_private>

> On Sat, 12 Oct 2002, Darren Reed wrote:
> 
> > This deserves more treatment than I have given it because I'm
> > sure it is a reflection of an attitude people form when they
> > have no understanding of roles and responsibilities people have,
> > never mind what "software engineering" is, beyond a simple "hack
> > on it" mentality.
> 
> I think you're taking it more personally than you should[1], let me see if
> I can take a less inflamitory stance...
> 
> > So your reading, of my saying meaning the "someone else" to be the
> > users is quite incorrect.  What I said was, literally, quite correct.
> 
> I think what Mikael's concern was (and he'll pipe up if I'm wrong, I'm
> sure) is that folks looking at the vuln. note will see "IPFilter- Not
> vulnerable." and stop there, rather than looking for a Net- or Free-
> entry.  "Check the specific OS line, or your version number, or upgrade."
> Might be more helpful too.

Sorry to overextend this thread, but I just started reading it today. 
(I just ran across the advisory on CERT's page, I haven't been 
reading fwwiz consistently)

The title of the advisory begins "Multiple vendors' firewalls do 
not.."

But when I read through it and looked at the vendor list, there was 
only a single vendor listed as "vulnerable".  Everyone else was 
listed as either "not vulnerable" or "unknown".  So logically, where 
does this "Multiple vendors firewalls.." come from?

When I read an advisory like that, I care much more about finding out 
*when* the problem was fixed, than the fact that a patch from 30 
minutes ago fixed that vendor's vulnerability.  Because as someone 
else mentioned, most of the world isn't running today's release.

So what I *want* to see, in the initial listing, instead of "not 
vulnerable", is "fixed".  I will then assume that those listed as 
"not vulnerable" were "never" vulnerable, and for the ones listed as 
"fixed" I will drill down further and look at the specific versions 
and dates when the problem was fixed.  The current way that they're 
listed in the CERT advisory, therefore, is *not* helpful to me.  It 
wastes my time, and it gives a false initial impression of what is 
and is not vulnerable.

--
Philip J. Koenig                                       
pjklistat_private
Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers & Communications for the New 
Millenium

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