Totally agree. People get far more attacks from US than China, no matter whether these attacks are a result of lack of responsiveness, or from script-kiddies, or from real malicious attackers, etc. Based on the Internet Security Threat report from Riptech, US was the source of largest number of attacks (29.6%), while China was 7.8% (the 3rd though) during July-December 2001. For the period January-June 2002, US again was the 1st, 40.0% of the attacks were from US, while 6.9% was from China (4th). So other countries should block everything from US? Tony Security Officer HP New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: euan [mailto:j46at_private] Sent: Wednesday, 24 July 2002 9:49 a.m. To: Chris Brenton; incidentsat_private Subject: Re: China Experience ? In my experience the majority of network probes I see originate from the USA or Europe - 99% of the scans originating from .cn or .kr networks are just automated worm-esque scanners looking for ancient vulns such as wuftp and BIND Is it really worth blocking an entire country because of a few trivial-to-defend-against scans? Do you panic after receiving scans for things like tcp 53 and 21? Perhaps you should consider changing your IDS policies if you waste so much time investigating non-issues. How many of these scans/"hacking" attempts actually led to a successful comprimise? Frankly this thread, complete with 11/09 references now, smacks of xenophobia, and that is indeed a sad thing to see appearing on the internet. Chris Brenton wrote: > On Tue, 2002-07-23 at 13:24, Alif The Terrible wrote: > > > > The issue with .cn space is a complete, TOTAL lack of responsiveness > > to the everyday issues: spam, scanning, the skript-kiddies who spend *months* > > at their Hax0r hobbies without being removed from the networks they inhabit, > > Here, here! As someone who used to own/run an ISP, I second this > experience. > > > I formally gave up on .cn IP space late last year on all networks under > > my direct control, > > For me it was on 9/11/01. At 3:00 PM EST I started seeing a > semi-coordinated attack against one of my clients (incidents.org) that > involved hundreds of .cn source IP addresses. After 12 hours of chasing > IDS & log detects, my choices where: > > 1) ban the whole country > 2) not go home > > I went with #1. ;) > > > as the effort (several hours a week of reports that > > were all completely ignored) simply wasn't worth the return (the one or two > > "real" connections a week we had with .cn space). > > This was my motivation as well, $$$. The choices where simple, maintain > the ban on China or pay out of my own pocket to hire another security > specialist to do log review. This pretty much made the choice a no > brainer. > > > Network operators in China seem to have forgotten that no network is, > > or can be, forced to carry anybody's traffic. > > Again, I concur. Up till recently .cn was blocked from accessing > sans.org, incident.org, dshield.org, whitehats.ca, 3 financial > institutions and a host of other .org and .com's under my wing. If they > can't play nice why let them play at all. > > > And if I am going to carry > > their traffic, their are going to HAVE to be responsive to my everyday > > headaches (when those headaches live on .cn space). > > In my spare time I teach the Perimeter track for SANS. One thing I'm > *very* big on with my students is banning subnets that are high > maintenance and provide no value add. For example, if you don't do > business with .cn's, why expose yourself to attack from this source? > True, they can always bounce off of another IP, but this raises the > required skill level and cuts down on much of the noise. > > BTW, if anyone is thinking "How do I find out what IP's are in use in > China?", check out: > http://www.idefense.com/Intell/CI022702.html > > HTH, > C > -- > ************************************** > cbrentonat_private > > find / -name \*yourbase\* -exec chown us:us {} \; > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided by the SecurityFocus ARIS analyzer service. > For more information on this free incident handling, management > and tracking system please see: http://aris.securityfocus.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided by the SecurityFocus ARIS analyzer service. For more information on this free incident handling, management and tracking system please see: http://aris.securityfocus.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided by the SecurityFocus ARIS analyzer service. For more information on this free incident handling, management and tracking system please see: http://aris.securityfocus.com
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