RE: CodeRed Observations.

From: larosa, vjay (larosa_vjayat_private)
Date: Thu Mar 13 2003 - 18:18:05 PST

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    This would definately be the answer to my odd traffic.
    It is interesting that I have never seen any threads
    relating to this on any other news groups. I am going 
    to find an IIS server somewhere in my network tomorrow 
    and test this out. 
    
    On a side note, if IIS does answer to connections
    with out established sessions couldn't IDS systems that track state
    be fooled into ignoring some attacks? If I had the stateless
    option turned on in my IDS to ignore stick/snot type attacks
    I never would have discovered any of this traffic. Food for thought.
    
    vjl
    
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Rob McCauley [mailto:robmccauat_private]
    Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 1:36 PM
    To: Rob Shein
    Cc: 'larosa, vjay'; incidentsat_private
    Subject: RE: CodeRed Observations.
    
    
    
    On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Rob Shein wrote:
    
    > I'd be careful and make sure, if I were you.  I don't think that the worm
    is
    > stateless, as it wouldn't be able to spread if it just sent data over TCP
    > without establishing the handshake first.  When you just PSH without
    > handshaking first, your data gets rejected.
    
    A claim has been made that IE, IIS, and at least some flavors of Windows 
    don't work like that.  http://grotto11.com/blog/?+1039831658.  I don't
    have time to verify the claim, but if it's true a worm spreading without
    the expected TCP handshake might well be possible.
    
    Rob
    
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