FC: Which states currently fingerprint drivers (Georgia already does)

From: Declan McCullagh (declanat_private)
Date: Wed Nov 20 2002 - 10:56:00 PST

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    Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:54:51 -0800
    To: declanat_private
    From: Margie Wylie <margie.wylieat_private>
    Subject: Re: FC: Will the state of Georgia fingerprint all drivers?
    
     >the State
     >or Georgia plans to fingerprint everyone in the state who applies for a
     >drivers licenses.  I thought that only criminals and people who work in
     >high security jobs got fingerprinted.  Is Georgia the first state to do
     >this kind of thing?
    
    Hardly. The State of California has been fingerprinting drivers for years 
    now. I'm not exactly sure how many, but at least four in my personal 
    experience.
    
    According to the AAMVA another 8 states plus DC use biometric identifiers 
    on their licenses.
    
    
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    Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:48:14 -0500
    To: declanat_private
    From: James Moyer <jamesat_private>
    Subject: Re: FC: Will the state of Georgia fingerprint all drivers?
    
    Declan,
    
    Georgia has fingerprinted for driver's licenses since 1996. They were the 
    last state to successfully pass a law requiring mandatory 
    fingerprinting--every legislature session since then has had some sorta 
    repeal effort, which would be killed by Tom Murphy, the omnipotent speaker 
    of the House...who didn't get reelected this year. We shall see what 
    happens as a result. Georgia used to be a Polaroid state, so this press 
    release is them moving to Viisage.
    
    West Virginia has optional fingerprinting, and I heard a recent report that 
    Arkansas has optional fingerprinting too...but I haven't been able to 
    confirm it
    California had optional fingerprinting in 1977, mandatory since 1982
    
    (California is great to talk about. During those five years of optional 
    fingerprinting, the DMV admitted, in a Cali. Supreme Court Case, that they 
    would often lift the fingerprints of application forms from those who 
    declined to be fingerprinted. That was a whole new level of brazeness that 
    I didn't think was possible. Recently the California DMV had to admit that 
    while they did have 30 million fingerprints on file, the quality isn't good 
    enough for comparisons, which makes you wonder what good you achieve in 
    collecting them.)
    
    Texas has had mandatory fingerprinting since 1969, though they started 
    requiring it for all license transactions in 1996, on digital scanning 
    equipment, which is for whatever reason when people actually got pissy about it
    
    Colorado has fingerprinting, but gosh, I have no idea when it started
    
    Hawaii does too...and I've found old Hawaii licenses on ebay with 
    fingerprints on them before Hawaii was even a state.
    
    I worked with the Virginia Taxpayer's Association, and killed 
    fingerprinting in that state this year. I know of no other state that tried 
    to impliement mandatory license fingerprinting since Georgia.
    
    James
    
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    Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 22:26:16 -0500
    From: "SIXIT Consulting" <no.spamat_private>
    To: declanat_private
    Subject: Re: FC: Will the state of Georgia fingerprint all drivers?
    
    Hi Declan,
    
    As a Georgia resident, I've been required for a few years now to have a 
    fingerprint on file.  There is a group dedicated to eradicating the law, 
    but right now it is firmly entrenched despite the general dislike of the 
    law by the residents.  There was a website 
    <http://www.fingerprintsayno.com/>, which is offline and the domain expired 
    on the 9th of November.  Here is another website dedicated to the issue: 
    <http://www.networkusa.org/fingerprint.shtml>.  Atlanta InfoGuide also has 
    a page dedicated to the issue at 
    <http://www.atlantainfoguide.com/repeal/>.  Please note that since the 
    issue is now nearly five years (or is it six?) old, some of the links from 
    each page do not work anymore.
    
    Sincerely,
    Robert Reese~
    SIXIT Consulting
    Emerson, Georgia
    
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    From: "Richard M. Smith" <rmsat_private>
    To: "'J.D. Abolins'" <jda-irat_private>, "'Declan McCullagh'" <declanat_private>
    Cc: "'Scott McDonald'" <mcdonaldsat_private>
    Subject: RE: FC: Will the state of Georgia fingerprint all drivers?
    Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:43:22 -0500
    
    Someone else sent me this interesting chart for state drivers licenses
    which shows which states require fingerprints:
    
    http://www.networkusa.org/fingerprint/page4/fp-04-page4-winners-losers.h
    tml
    
    What I am also wondering about is how many states are using Livescan
    systems which end up creating fingerprint databases that are easy to
    search.
    
    Richard
    
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    From: "Scott McDonald" <scottm2at_private>
    To: "Richard M. Smith" <rmsat_private>,
        "'J.D. Abolins'" <jda-irat_private>, "'Declan McCullagh'" <declanat_private>
    Cc: "'Scott McDonald'" <mcdonaldsat_private>
    Subject: RE: FC: Will the state of Georgia fingerprint all drivers?
    Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:23:37 -0600
    
    J.D.,
    
    You probably realized that the web page mentioned below by Richard is the
    one I compiled. Although I have not updated it in a while, it is still
    pretty much accurate with regard to states that collect fingerprints and
    SSNs.
    
    With regard to Georgia, of course they have been requiring fingerprints from
    all license applicants for over five years now. We, along with some Georgia
    residents and one of the State House members, waged war to get the practice
    stopped. The effort was almost successful, but the governor backed out on
    his word to discontinue the practice.
    
    I did not see the Visage post mentioned below. I can only assume that it
    concerns a new type of fingerprint reader such as "live scan" which, I
    presume, Georgia is considering purchasing (or has already purchased) to
    replace their "paper-n-ink" system now in place.
    
    Scott
    
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    Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 05:56:25 -0500
    To: rmsat_private
    From: Katherine Albrecht <kmaat_private>
    Subject: Re: Will the state of Georgia fingerprint all drivers?
    Cc: declanat_private
    
    Hi, Richard and Declan:
    
    Each state sets its own requirements for documentation to obtain a drivers 
    license (at least for now).   In the past, a birth certificate was 
    considered adequate proof of identity in most states.   Now several states, 
    including California, Colorado, Georgia, Hawaii, Texas, and West Virginia 
    require a fingerprint for the "privilege" of driving.  In addition, most 
    states now ask for a social security number.
    
    For a listing of drivers license requirements in all 50 states (including 
    whether or not they require fingerprint and/or social security number, 
    utilize a mag stripe, barcode, and /or digital photograph) see Scott 
    McDonald's page at:  http://www.networkusa.org/fingerprint.shtml. Scott 
    McDonald has mounted a court challenge in Alabama based on his religious 
    objection to the mandatory use of social security numbers to obtain a 
    drivers license.  His efforts and those of others are detailed on his 
    "Fight the Fingerprint" website at http://www.networkusa.org/fingerprint.shtml.
    
    In freedom,
    
    Katherine Albrecht
    CASPIAN - Consumers Against Supermarket Privacy Invasion and Numbering
    http://www.nocards.org
    
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    From: "INTI INTERNATIONAL" <76867at_private>
    To: declanat_private
    Subject: Re: FC: Will the state of Georgia fingerprint all drivers?
    Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:31:57 -0500
    
    Declan -- Georgia has been fingerprinting all drivers for nearly four years 
    now. There was a heated -- but fruitleess -- opposition effort when the 
    former governer (now U.S. Senator) Zell Miller proposed it, and now they 
    routinely scan your finger and imbed it in code on the back of the license. 
    (The current governor, Roy Barnes -- who lost to a Republican two weeks ago 
    -- also opposed it, but he dropped his opposition once he gained the 
    governor's seat.) The state DMV lobbied fiercely for this, and it's 
    probably coming your way, too. Might even be part of that cool new Ministry 
    of Homeland Defense. -- Cheers, Greg Land
    
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    Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:50:28 -0600 (CST)
    From: Joel Schopp <spiffyat_private>
    To: Declan McCullagh <declanat_private>
    Subject: Re: FC: Will the state of Georgia fingerprint all drivers?
    
    The state of Texas has required thumbprints for drivers licenses for
    years.  They also keep a digital picture, social security number, address,
    etc in their database.  And if you think that all Texas law enforcement
    officers are above reproach you can just look at the Aug 18th arrrest of
    273 innocent people in Houston as a counterexample.
    
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    From: "Johnathan James" <jjamesat_private>
    To: <declanat_private>
    References: <5.1.1.6.0.20021119112154.021f7c90at_private>
    Subject: Re: Will the state of Georgia fingerprint all drivers?
    Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:58:03 -0700
    
    Declan,
    
    I wrote to you earlier saying that the state of Colorado already requires
    that you be fingerprinted in order to get a drivers license. At the time I
    only had my experiecne to vouch for that assertion, but I found the Colorado
    state Drivers Handbook on the web and it verifies it.
    
    See:
    
    http://www.mv.state.co.us/formspdf/drvrbook.pdf
    
    and check page 3, at the bottom under requirements "To Apply for a License
    or Instruction Permit...". Point 5 reads:
    
    "...
    5. Be fingerprinted (C.R.S. 42-2-107) and photographed.
    (C.R.S. 42-2-114.) ...."
    
    Johnathan
    
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    From: "fnord" <fnordat_private>
    To: <declanat_private>
    References: <5.1.1.6.0.20021119112154.021f7c90at_private>
    Subject: Re: Will the state of Georgia fingerprint all drivers?
    Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:29:19 -0500
    
    Viisage has been pursuing these kinds of state contracts as a core part of
    their business model.
    
    Georgia is not the first state to consider such a plan. Viisage was working
    on such plans in 17 states as of May of this year, and I do not have updated
    information since then, but this Georgia information seems to point to
    further inroads being made.
    
    Depending on the state, it appears that some drivers licenses will hold
    fingerprints and other biometric data, while some states, like Connecticut
    (http://www.biometritech.com/features/laurapop4.htm), will be adding facial
    recognition as well.
    
    I ran out and renewed my license as soon as I read this story, both to see
    what the employees at the DMV knew about it (absolutely nothing) and to get
    a new license before the plan went into effect.
    
    With this and the new TIA database, US citizens are no longer "Innocent
    until proven guilty," but "Under investigation until death."
    
    
    John Stotler
    http://www.libertylost.org
    
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    Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:52:28 -0800
    Subject: Re: FC: Will the state of Georgia fingerprint all drivers?
    From: Ian Stoba <ianat_private>
    To: declanat_private
    Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
    
    California requires a thumbprint as part of a driver license (their
    preferred term) application:
    
    http://www.dmv.ca.gov/dl/dl_info.htm
    
    --Ian
    
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    Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:35:02 -0800
    From: Seth David Schoen <schoenat_private>
    To: Declan McCullagh <declanat_private>
    Subject: Re: FC: Will the state of Georgia fingerprint all drivers?
    
    Declan McCullagh writes:
    
     > From: "Richard M. Smith" <rmsat_private>
     > To: "'Declan McCullagh'" <declanat_private>
     > Subject: Is the State of Georgia going to fingerprint all drivers?
     > Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:07:12 -0500
     >
     > Hi Declan,
     >
     > If I am reading today's press release from Viisage correctly, the State
     > or Georgia plans to fingerprint everyone in the state who applies for a
     > drivers licenses.  I thought that only criminals and people who work in
     > high security jobs got fingerprinted.  Is Georgia the first state to do
     > this kind of thing?
    
    California has been collecting a thumb print for a long time.  This is
    mentioned in many places, e.g.
    
    http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/hdbk/pgs01thru03.htm
    
        Therefore, when applying for an original DL/ID card, you must present
        an acceptable birth date/legal presence document and/or true full name
        document and provide your social security number. Your thumb print
        will be taken. Your picture will also be taken. For any other DL/ID
        card transaction, you are required to present photo identification to
        safeguard the accuracy and integrity of the Department's documents.
    
    The legal authority appears to be:
    
        (a) The department may issue an identification card to any
        person attesting to the true full name, correct age, and other
        identifying data as certified by the applicant for such
        identification card.
    
        (b) Any person 62 years of age or older may apply for, and the
        department upon receipt of a proper application therefor shall issue,
        an identification card bearing the notation "Senior Citizen".
    
        (c) Every application for an identification card shall be signed
        and verified by the applicant before a person authorized to
        administer oaths and shall be supported by bona fide documentary
        evidence of the age and identity of the applicant as the department
        may require, and shall include a legible print of the thumb or finger
        of the applicant.
    
        (d) Any person 62 years of age or older, and any other qualified
        person, may apply for, or possess, an identification card under the
        provisions of either subdivision (a) or (b), but not under both of
        those provisions.
    
    Cal. Veh. Code 13000.
    
    Since this seemed unnecessary to me, I have put off getting California
    ID, but I think I'm going to give in soon.
    
    I believe the thumbprinting in California is now digital.  California does
    not take images of other fingerprints (as the law says "legible print of the
    thumb _or_ finger") for a driver license unless you have no thumbs.
    
    -- 
    Seth David Schoen <schoenat_private> | Reading is a right, not a feature!
          http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ |                 -- Kathryn Myronuk
          http://vitanuova.loyalty.org/ |
    
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    Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:33:26 -0600
    From: "Herbert Emholtz" <Herbert.Emholtzat_private>
    To: <declanat_private>
    Subject: Re: FC: Will the state of Georgia fingerprint all drivers?
    
    This is old news in Texas:
    Texas Transportation Code, Section 521.142 (b)(1) requires the Texas 
    Department of Public Safety to obtain thumbprints for a Texas driver 
    license.  This requirement has been in effect since 1967.
    <http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/driver_licensing_control/license_issuance/thumbprints.htm>http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/driver_licensing_control/license_issuance/thumbprints.htm
    
    
    Herb
    
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    Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:36:11 -0500 (EST)
    From: "J.D. Abolins" <jda-irat_private>
    To: Scott McDonald <scottm2at_private>
    cc: "Richard M. Smith" <rmsat_private>,
        "'Declan McCullagh'" <declanat_private>,
        "'Scott McDonald'" <mcdonaldsat_private>
    Subject: RE: FC: Will the state of Georgia fingerprint all drivers?
    
    Here's the Viisage Technology news release about the Georgia contract:
    http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=VISG&script=410&layout=0&item_id=357515
    
    Among other things in the news release are these two paragprahs describing
    the cotnracted system:
    
    
    Viisage will implement an in-state, central card production solution that
    will cost effectively allow tight management of the production and
    issuance of highly secure drivers' credentials using 3M's Confirm(TM)
    security overlay. Central production will also afford the DMVS tighter
    control of the storing, analysis and retrieval of information including
    scanned application forms, portrait images, signature images, fingerprints
    and data associated with each driver's record. Entry to the new secure
    central production facility will be enhanced by Viisage's FacePASS(TM)
    advanced facial recognition access control technology.
    
    Integral to the security enhancements that make up the new program,
    Viisage will also produce highly secure and tamper resistant interim
    credentials. These documents will be printed on state-of-the art material,
    incorporating nearly a dozen security/chemical features specially prepared
    for the DMVS by Viisage's partner Standard Register. Viisage has partnered
    with SAGEM Morpho to create the new fingerprint biometric solution, which
    will allow the rapid searching of any fingerprint against the DMVS
    fingerprint database. Additionally, the Viisage solution will incorporate
    a unique point- of-sale offering from their Georgia-based partner
    CenterStage, which will provide the capability to accept additional
    payment types and automate the accounting of driver's license fees.
    
    
    <end of snippet>
    
    Note the spin-offs mentioned in just this release. There are probably
    more. The CenterStage partnership hints, I eleive, of a future
    introduction of fingerprint scans for retail transactions. A check of the
    print against the state's database and/or any prints encoded on the DL.
    This is my specultation, nothign yet overtly stated from Viisage or other
    firms.
    
    J.D. Abolins
    Meyda Online -- Infosec & Privacy Studies
    Web site: http://www.MeydaOnline.com
    
    
    
    
    
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