Previous Politech message: http://www.politechbot.com/p-04346.html --- Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:30:47 -0500 From: Mathias Wegner <mwegnerat_private> To: Declan McCullagh <declanat_private> Cc: FRosadoat_private Subject: Re: FC: ADL warns Feds that terrorists use e-gold to transfer $$$ > "While we know of no links between e-gold and terrorism at the > present time, e-gold merits serious attention given the record of Internet > use by terrorists and the abuse of similar devices by domestic extremists," > said Mr. Foxman. This just in - terrorists have also been known to use dollars, pounds, yen, marks, lira, euros, and other currency that comes printed on paper or minted as coins. I don't have any proof, but hey, I'd like to make it look like I'm doing something useful. People carrying any one of those currencies should be stopped and interrogated until they confess... mathias --- Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:19:39 -0600 Subject: Re: FC: ADL warns Feds that terrorists use e-gold to transfer $$$ Cc: politechat_private, FRosadoat_private To: declanat_private From: Jim Davidson <davidsonat_private> Dear Declan, Quick! Sell your e-gold to me before it gets closed down! <grin> Seriously, I've been using e-gold since 1998. Never met a single terrorist using it. If the ADL wants to look foolish for opposing e-gold, let them. It takes about two minutes on a dial-up connection to Google for Julian Dibbell's article on e-gold and the dinar connection in _Wired_ magazine, which essay reveals that e-gold's staff sits around the conference table with government agents and shares donuts and coffee with them. When subpoenae are presented at e-gold's offices, the government gets results. ADL is simply foolish for supposing that e-gold represents some deep dark money transfer scheme. Anything recorded in the e-gold account history of any user can be accessed by a properly organized subpoena from a court of competent jurisdiction, such as Florida. I expect the ADL won't bother with a retraction. They could, however, do themselves a favor and stop shouting about the sky falling. Regards, Jim http://cambist.net/ --- Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:14:00 -0500 To: declanat_private From: Stephen Cobb <scobbat_private> Subject: Re: FC: ADL warns Feds that terrorists use e-gold to transfer $$$ At 1/22/2003 01:55 PM -0500, you wrote: >I accept e-gold donations to pay for Politech hosting fees: >http://www.politechbot.com/donate/ > >Does that make me a terrorist too? It probably boosts your scores in the suspicious activity algorithms of TIA and RDC. And of course, there's another 3 letter entity that is always very interested in anything that suggests a US citizen is trying to get something of value in this life without fully declaring it. More seriously, there are many global value transfer systems that run below today's regulatory radar. There are some obvious reasons for their existence (such as tax evasion and distrust of, or exclusion from "legitimate" banking systems). These sub-radar systems are often associated with ethnic or religious groups because they rely on a certain amount of implicit trust. Examples include Indian and Pakistani havala, and even charitable aid groups such as those exploited by the IRA and Islamic extremists. What is perhaps most surprising about the ADL highlighting one such system is the fact that the ethnic group which the ADL seeks, very understandably, to defend, is historically famous for providing alternatives to mainstream banking services. Stephen --- Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:34:11 -0800 From: "Clinton D. Fein" <clinton.feinat_private> To: <declanat_private> >>"While we know of no links between e-gold and terrorism at the present time, e-gold merits serious attention given the record of Internet use by terrorists and the abuse of similar devices by domestic extremists," said Mr. Foxman.<< A rather flimsy excuse for a press release, no? Note that their headline uses the word "may". For all we know, terrorists "may" use Bank of America for the same insidious purposes. But I guess that's why we have "Know Your Customer" services offered by Dow Jones and Reuters. Who needs to worry about government invasions of privacy when media properties are doing such a fine job? Clinton _____________________________________ Clinton Fein Editor & Publisher Annoy.com 555 Florida Street, Suite 407 San Francisco, CA 94110 Phone: 415-552-7655 Fax: 415-552-7656 http://annoy.com --- Subject: Re: FC: ADL warns Feds that terrorists use e-gold to transfer $$$ From: Dan Trevino <dantrevinoat_private> To: declanat_private Wired had a story about e-gold some months back ( http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/10.01/egold.html ). I find it ironic that an organization whose goal is to "...counteract hatred, prejudice, and bigotry" is spreading this FUD. Pathetisad. -- Dan Trevino <dantrevinoat_private> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. 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