FC: Australia moves against spam (and a reply on supporting troops)

From: Declan McCullagh (declanat_private)
Date: Wed Apr 16 2003 - 07:45:00 PDT

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    From: "Mackenzie, Kate" <mackenziekat_private>
    To: "'declanat_private'" <declanat_private>
    Subject: Australia to outlaw spam
    Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:49:55 +1000
    
    Hi Declan,
    
    It seems that the folks in Canberra have been getting overloaded with
    Nigerian scams and Viagra ads..
    The Aust government is acknowledging it will be difficult to police as most
    spam received here is from overseas, but say they are in talks with the US
    International Consumer Protection and Enforcement Network, and approaching
    the OECD and APEC about it too.
    
    
    Spammers to face jail
    Kate Mackenzie
    APRIL 16, 2003
    
    UNSOLICITED email will outlawed and spammers could face prison sentences,
    after a dramatic about-turn from a federal Government taskforce charged with
    examining the issue.
    
    http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,6293171%5E15306%5E%5Enbv%5E,00.html
    
    
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    From: "Nathan Cochrane" <ncochraneat_private>
    To: <declanat_private>
    Subject: An Australian perspective to Lisa Dean's comments
    Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:18:42 +1000
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    Hi Declan
    
    I don't know Lisa Dean, or the group she represents. However the same
    "support our troops" mantra is being sung in Australia from the PM John
    Howard and down to the right wing commentators in the news. It's as if the
    US Government had sent the same script to the Australian and British PMs, so
    they could all speak with one voice.
    
    The view is that you support the troops once deployed to avoid the myth of
    the spat-upon VietNam veteran. That myth was debunked:
    
    http://www.thevoicenews.com/News/2003/0228/In_Response/R03_Bernard-re_Barlow.html
    
    The arguments from the supporters of the war here and overseas follow that
    even if you didn't agree before the troops were sent, you should now support
    them -- and by externsion, the war.
    
    This logic is intellectually bereft.
    
    An objection persists regardless of the decision to deploy troops. Rather
    than nullified or voided, the objection is compounded.
    
    Our troops are not zombies, or indentured serfs. They are free to make their
    own decisions, and to question the legality and morality of the orders they
    are given. It is their obligation not to follow illegal or immoral orders.
    
    Several of our soldiers on the way to the Gulf recently refused anthrax
    injections because they did not believe the assurances they were given that
    they were safe. They were returned from active duty, but AFAIK were not
    otherwise disciplined. It shows that troops can legally disobey orders that
    are not sane.
    
    http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/02/13/1044927740605.html
    
    So if the troops decide to fight in an illegal, immoral and highly
    questionable war, then they do so without my support. That is their decision
    and I do not support that decision so how can I logically and in good
    conscience support them?
    
    I can forgive them, but I can't support them.
    
    
    What Australians said about the Australian troops who refused injections on
    the way to the Gulf.
    http://www.smh.com.au/yoursay/2003/02/13/index5.html
    
    
    
    
    
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