-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Politech] Explanation about why Ogrish.com may or may not be banned [fs] Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 16:43:10 +0100 From: MDoval BC <mdoval@private> To: Declan McCullagh <declan@private> References: <41879CBE.4010405@private> Hi Declan, the site is banned if you want to access to it from the Telefonica's network but not from other Spanish carriers. For example, last Thursday I visited it from the Rediris network which is the public universities network from Spain. That means that a government network didn't follow the judge order :o) or actually the police didn't even try it. You can read my post (in Spanish) about it at http://www.internetpolitica.com/archivos/000251.html and http://www.internetpolitica.com/archivos/000250.html Some people left comments saying they could visit the site from Retevision or cable networks so I guess the police just got the big chunk (Telefonica) and forgot about the rest. Montse Doval -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Politech] Explanation about why Ogrish.com may or may not be banned [fs] Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 07:35:40 -0800 From: Paul Hoffman <phoffman@private> To: Declan McCullagh <declan@private> References: <41879CBE.4010405@private> >This is becoming more and more common of a problem, as more countries with >laws allowing speech suppression issue orders to prevent "objectionable >speech" (variying from web sites that "support" Osama to things as banal >as Ogrish). The most common response to such an order by the web site >operator is to change IPs - leaving the court order ineffective, the >carrier with holes in their routing table which they cannot [legally] >remove (despite any performance issues or similar technical difficulties >which may result), and the target web site "on the air". This may account >for the off-the-air/on-the-air reports (or it may not - either way, I >thought this explanation would be both timely and relevent). If this is really a problem for the carriers (and I could certainly imagine it could be), it would be interesting to set up a mechanism where the banned sites could publicly proclaim "We were banned, we were using IP 1.2.3.4 for the banned material, and we promise to never ever use that IP address again". This allows the carriers to remove the null route with impunity (and thus make the routing tables cleaner again), and yet doesn't force the banned site to actually say whether or not they're going to appear on a different IP address. _______________________________________________ Politech mailing list Archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ Moderated by Declan McCullagh (http://www.mccullagh.org/)
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