[Yes, the C&D letter is copyrighted; the real question is (or should be) whether copyright law extends so far as to prevent the recipient from redistributing it freely. ChillingEffects.org gets around this problem by providing a modicum of commentary with the nastygram. --Declan] -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Copyrighting Cease and Desist Letters? Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:43:38 -0800 From: Joseph Lorenzo Hall <joehall@private> Reply-To: joehall@private To: Declan McCullagh <declan@private>, Dave Farber <dave@private> Hi Declan, Dave, I thought either or both of you would be interested in this. Attorneys for a resort are claiming that a cease and desist letter that they sent in a trademark issue is covered by copyright and, therefore, not forwardable. (The below is written in [Markdown][0] format.) best and happy new year, Joe [0]: http://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/ ---- http://pobox.com/~joehall/nqb2/index.php/2005/01/05/copyrighting_candds ### Copyrighting Cease and Desist Letters? ### *Can attorneys claim copyright in cease and desist letters they send (to prevent them to be forwarded)?* [TechDirt][1] has an interesting story up, ["Since When Is It Illegal To Just Mention A Trademark Online?"][2] The trademark issue between [Urinal.net][5] and the [Marco Beach Ocean Resort][6] is not what I find interesting (that is, it's clear that the site is using it in a descriptive sense, and in terms of trademark jurisprudence, this is [fair or nominative use][7].) What interests me is the following (from the TechDirt post): > I asked the maintainers of the site if I could see a copy of the cease & desist, but apparently **the lawyers claim that the cease & desist is copyrighted to them and that the recipient is not allowed to forward it to anyone.** I wonder if that means they can't even forward it to a lawyer? So, as far as I can tell, the [Marco Beach Ocean Resort][6] seems to think that [...] any cease and desist is to be some sort of "secret" cease & desist that can never be shown to anyone, which seems to go a bit beyond what rights copyright gives them. This is pretty silly and, if true, would have major implications for a site like [ChillingEffects.org][8] (created by w00t! [Wendy][9]). First, to file a copyright infringement lawsuit against [Urinal.net][5], [MBOR][6]'s attorneys would have to register the copyright in the C&D with the copyright office, and there's a small but real chance that it would not be issued (sometimes, under a "rule of doubt" the Copyright Office will issue the registration but send a letter saying that the work may or may not be copyrightable. A court would have to determine this for sure.). Attorneys claiming that they have a copyright in a C&D? Well, lets check the four factors of fair use that would be weighed in a copyright infringement lawsuit: * **purpose of the use** - (I was trying to avoid having to go to or link to [Urinal.net][5], but I just did.) The only thing commercial about this website is the Google AdWords at the bottom (they do have a sad-if-true and funny-any-which-way ["Career Opportunities" page][10]: "Throw your career in the toilet! - Urinal Dot Net is Hiring!"). It would seem that this site's use of a C&D - likely for display purposes, if any - would more than likely be non-commercial (I can't imagine that they'd start to sell viewings of the C&D letter or start selling t-shirts of the C&D!). * **nature of the work** - Unless these attorneys are damned creative, I can't imagine that there's much in the way of creativity in a trademark-related C&D letter. It would seem that most of the text would be factual and legal prose (that they likely ripped off of other attorneys within or without of their firm). * **amount of work taken** - Well, to publish the C&D, they'd want to publish the whole thing, like a scanned image. * **effects on market for the work** - The idea of attorneys selling their carefully crafted C&D letters is hilarious. I can't imagine anyone would buy them, much less how they'd advertise them for sale. So, in short, only one of the four factors (amount) would seriously weigh against [Urinal.net][5]. They should post the C&D to let the world see what ridiculous claims the lawyers for [Marco Beach Ocean Resort][6] are making. [1]: http://techdirt.com/ [2]: http://techdirt.com/articles/20050105/0132239_F.shtml [3]: http://tygar.blogspot.com/ [4]: http://www.bloglines.com/blog/tygar [5]: http://urinal.net/ [6]: http://www.marcoresort.com/ [7]: http://www.publaw.com/fairusetrade.html [8]: http://www.chillingeffects.org/ [9]: http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/ [10]: http://urinal.net/jobs.html -- Joseph Lorenzo Hall UC Berkeley, SIMS PhD Student http://pobox.com/~joehall/ blog: http://pobox.com/~joehall/nqb2/ _______________________________________________ Politech mailing list Archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ Moderated by Declan McCullagh (http://www.mccullagh.org/)
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