-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Politech] Teacher recorded mistreating child; school bans videophones [fs] Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 18:40:45 -0800 From: John Gilmore <gnu@private> To: Declan McCullagh <declan@private> CC: politech@private This is rich. Schools have been installing cameras and video recording systems for decades to catch children doing something wrong. They think this is appropriate use of technology and defend it to the death. But when the price comes down far enough that children can use it to catch teachers and administrators doing bad things -- then it's time to ban the technology. No, not the surveillance cameras installed by the schools! Only the handheld cameras used by the students. David Brin wrote a book, The Transparent Society, about this fundamental question: As cameras become ubiquitous, who gets to watch whom? Brin argues that one of the few ways to avoid a totalitarian outcome is if EVERYBODY gets to watch EVERYBODY. The hatred of most current power structures for this idea testifies to its power to make us all equals: students and teachers, administrators and citizens. I do not argue for Brin's thesis, though I think it deserves study. I do believe that the school district should not be surveilling or recording students if they cannot surveil and record the schools. John Gilmore Electronic Frontier Foundation PS: You can write to the school system here: Brick Township Public Schools Board of Education 101 Hendrickson Ave Brick, NJ 08723 732-785-3000 Brick Township High School 346 Chambers Bridge Road Brick, NJ 08723 (732)262-2500 -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Politech] Teacher recorded mistreating child; school bans videophones [fs] Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 20:44:58 -0500 From: Ben <bmw@private> To: Declan McCullagh <declan@private> References: <42268F76.3010901@private> If no one's mentioned this to you already, you can find the video here... http://www.fatwallet.com/t/69/440608/ -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Politech] Teacher recorded mistreating child; school bans videophones [fs] Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 18:56:02 -0500 From: Randy To: Declan McCullagh <declan@private> References: <42268F76.3010901@private> Declan: Apparently, at least some of the little miscreants that "caught" their teacher's rant on videotape were stupid enough to post that video to the same website they posted their Christmas vandalism spree on; " A Pure Ownage Christmas", in which they destroyed the lawn decorations of various people. Three of them, one 18 and two 17 year-olds, each have four charges pending from the Christmas tape. Here's the link to the story: http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_030305_videorampage.html Regards, Randy (redact my email if you use this, please) -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Politech] Teacher recorded mistreating child;school bans videophones [fs] Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 23:39:09 -0600 From: Hopper <hopper@private> To: Declan McCullagh <declan@private> References: <42268F76.3010901@private> Declan, This is seems to be the website mentioned, but not disclosed, below: http://nyc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/142004/index.php There's a link to the video as well. Hopper -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Politech] Teacher recorded mistreating child;school bans videophones [fs] Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 00:21:52 -0800 From: James Moyer <james@private> To: Declan McCullagh <declan@private> Declan, I've thought about this situation in terms of the FOIA. As an on/off again Jersey taxpayer, I believe that I have a right to a reasonable transcript of the proceedings of public classrooms in the state. It seems to me that a logical extension of this is a classroom student taking a transcript or a video of what happens there. FOIA exceptions are usually few and far between but reasonable exceptions are expected (like exceptions regarding student results/data, tests before they are presented, transcripts during test times et cetera.) The teacher is a government employee, they should expect their workplace monitored by taxpayers. If that comes in the form of a student videotaping them on a camera phone, then so be it. James -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Politech] Teacher recorded mistreating child; school bans videophones [fs] Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:18:05 -0800 (PST) From: Thomas Leavitt <thomas@private> To: <declan@private> We as a Board of Education wish to stick our heads in the sand, ignore the new era being ushered in, and do everything in our power to avoid the risk of being confronted with evidence of misconduct by our employees that cannot be ignored. Thomas -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: [Politech] Teacher recorded mistreating child;school bans videophones [fs] Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:45:50 -0600 From: G. Waleed Kavalec <Greg@private> Reply-To: <Greg@private> To: 'Declan McCullagh' <declan@private> I remember a few maladjusted teachers back in my day. Why this character still has a job and/or isn't being sued I really don't understand. People teaching our kids SHOULD be videoed - every MINUTE. _______________________________________________ Politech mailing list Archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ Moderated by Declan McCullagh (http://www.mccullagh.org/)
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