Re: 0-day exploit..do i hear $1000?

From: dullienat_private
Date: Fri Oct 19 2001 - 08:19:28 PDT

  • Next message: Jose Nazario: "Re: 0-day exploit..do i hear $1000?"

    Hey all,
    
    Something that should really be considered is that people finding bugs in
    products do unpaid quality assurance for vendors. If that person doing
    this research is not part of a company he doesn't benefit from
    publishing his work at all - especially if he doesn't intend on being
    hired by one in the near future either. Therefore he has no reason to
    publish anything.
    
    Most people looking for bugs these days are not regular customers of
    the software they're looking at, therefore having the bug fixed is not
    in their interest either as it would be for someone actually using the
    product.
    
    From this angle it would be sound & fair for large (especially
    security-conscious) coorporations to put up a 'reward' for serious
    security vulnerabilities (in their products)being reported to them.
    
    I can understand the anger of certain exploit authors - they sit in
    their rooms, have published exploits, and now some guy who is using
    the exploits as a pen-tester makes money off them without the original
    author ever having seen a dime - noone can claim that this is fair.
    
    A fundamental question to be raised here is that of intellectual
    property for bugs - as the author of software can hardly be considered
    the copyright holder for any bugs he has inserted one should perhabs
    consider if the person who first detects the bug holds intellectual
    ownership of it and can thus prevent people who are not licensed to
    use it from using it.
    
    This is very dangerous as it would legitimate software patents as
    well, but then again, software patents seem to be acceptable behaviour
    in the less civilized parts of this planet.
    
    A completely different issue here would be bug classes: Suppose
    something like a new 'format string bug'-class is around with the
    property of making 50% of the existing systems insecure, could I as
    the 'inventor' of this bug class try to patent it ?
    Would that make everyone who is trying to use a bug of that class
    suspectible to paying me licensing fees ? I can see the pen-testing
    business turn a lot towards being less profitable...
    
    So, who owns the bug if it is discovered ? Why shouldn't trading bugs
    (even for money) be regarded as fair ?
    
    I know the implications. We'd all land in jail very quickly ;)
    
    Cheers,
    dullienat_private
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