RE: Wireless Legality- Netstumbler and kin

From: Richard Rager (kb8rlnat_private)
Date: Mon Mar 18 2002 - 10:51:31 PST

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    On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, DePriest, Jason R. wrote:
    
    > In my opinion, Radar Detector devices have no legitimate usage;
    therefore,
    > they can be confiscated on sight.
    > On the other hand, a tool such as Kismet or Netstumbler can be used by a
    > qualified security analyst to perform risk testing on a wireless network.
    >
    > But since I am not a lawyer, either, I may be full of crap.
    >
    > -Jason
    
      I am not a lawyer either but I have my Extra Class Amateur Radio
    Licence.  I have used a radar detector and a break checker (10 Ghz cw
    transmitter) for at 10 Ghz QSO (talk to some on on the air).  If you
    have a radio detector with a signal strength meter you can have a AM 10
    Ghz receiver.  I bought all this for less then 50 dollar not bad.
    
      If you would like more information look at http://www.arrl.com.  By the
    way if some one has their a FCC Amateur licence it my be hard to remove
    there radio transmitter/receiver for 10 Ghz.  Fed law normal over rule
    state law.
    
    
    Just wanted to point out that a radar detector can be used for good uses.
    
    By the way here are the some of the frequencies that can be used for
    Amateur Radio.
    
          2300-2310 MHz
          2390-2450 MHz - WAP11 band  2400Mhz - 2483.5Mhz is the
                          North America,
                          Europe,
                          Korea and Extended Japan Band
    
          3300-3500 MHz
          5650-5925 MHz
          10.0-10.5 GHz  -   Radio Detector
          24.0-24.25 GHz
          47.0-47.2 GHz
          75.5-81.0 GHz
          119.98-120.02 GHz
          142-149 GHz
          241-250 GHz
    All above 300 GHz
    
    Note: Highest know QSO is at 1200 Ghz.  That I know of.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Ralf Dreibrodt [mailto:ralfat_private]
    > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2002 01:23 PM
    > To: ZeroBreak
    > Cc: Security Focus - Vulnerability Development
    > Subject: Re: Wireless Legality- Netstumbler and kin
    >
    >
    > Hi,
    >
    > one example:
    >
    > ZeroBreak wrote:
    > > The frequencies used are all open to the public.
    >
    > AFAIK the frequencies of a radar trap are open to the public.
    >
    >  > It does not send out any
    > > probes, it sits in promiscuous mode and pulls in packets and gives an
    > > output like netstumbler. That goes a step further than netstumbler. Your
    > > card isn't sending anything at all it's just listening.
    >
    > a radar warning system is only listenig to the "pakets" and gives an alarm.
    >
    > in the meanwhile in germany every policemen is allowed to seize a radar
    > warning system, if he sees one. it even doesn't have to be switched on.
    >
    > perhaps there is any lawyer on the list?!?
    >
    > i will see one in about one month, perhaps i can ask for his opinion
    > about sniffing in an unprotected wireless lan, but i think at least in
    > germany it is not allowed.
    >
    > bye
    > Ralf
    >
    
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