RE: Plain text password for Microsoft (icwip.dun)

From: Kayne Ian (Softlab) (Ian.Kayneat_private)
Date: Wed Jul 10 2002 - 01:30:29 PDT

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    > From what I can tell from the little detail I have read is 
    > that the system
    > at both a hardware and software level will not run any 
    > program that is not
    > properly signed (or whatever).  So, in order to get your 
    
    Hey, sounds like the XBox. I was reading a link on MegaRad yesterday from a
    guy that claims to have figured out how to code for the XBox without using
    the PSDK or hacking the hardware, therefore making homebrew and non-MS
    licensed s/w completely legal. Apparently he's porting the linux kernel to
    it, to allow everything else to run off of that. So far he's managed to get
    some images displayed on-screen, which is a pretty major achievement seeing
    as he didn't use the devkit.
    
    Personally I'll have a hard time buying any hardware from a manufacturer
    that believes they can limit my use of the equipment I own. Maybe that means
    I won't have any choice in future.
    
    Ian Kayne
    Technical Specialist - IT Solutions
    Softlab Ltd - A BMW Company
    
    
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: hellNbak [mailto:hellnbakat_private]
    > Sent: 09 July 2002 23:47
    > To: Valdis.Kletnieksat_private
    > Cc: vuln-devat_private
    > Subject: Re: Plain text password for Microsoft (icwip.dun) 
    > 
    > 
    > > It will prevent copyright abuse until broken.  How long 
    > does the average
    > > anti-piracy scheme last?  And remember - you deploy this 
    > one, you're STUCK
    > > with it because there's hardware involved.
    > 
    > 
    > I totally agree with you.
    > 
    > > All it takes is one good buffer overflow.  Like we haven't 
    > seen security bugs
    > > in trusted, signed ActiveX controls and the like before.  
    > I've seen almost
    > > nothing that says that *exploits* will be any more 
    > difficult to carry out.
    > 
    > From what I can tell from the little detail I have read is 
    > that the system
    > at both a hardware and software level will not run any 
    > program that is not
    > properly signed (or whatever).  So, in order to get your 
    > arbitrary code to
    > run, you need to be sure that the system will trust it -- 
    > which adds a bit
    > of complication to the whole process but definately doesn't make it
    > impossible.
    > 
    > 
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