FW: [ISN] The Code Red hype Hall of Shame

From: InfoSec News (isnat_private)
Date: Mon Aug 13 2001 - 01:19:43 PDT

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    Forwarded from: Thomas C. Greene <tcgreeneat_private>
    i don't think it's at all hypocritical.  as i've said repeatedly, i'm
    in favor of full disclosure.  but there's a difference between
    disclosure and a media blitz.
    to compare my highspeed junkie article with what eEye did with the
    .ida hole, i would have had to: 1) post it on every security-oriented
    mailing list i know; 2) send a press release to every tech journalist
    in the business; and 3) mention my handy-dandy highspeed junkie code
    cleaner, yours for only a couple of thousand bucks.  the most
    important issue here is the fact that i have no conflict of interest
    when i link to an exploit.  i'm not selling solutions to it.
    as for the twinkies, i prefer not to name names.  they're a 'type'.  
    they think company flacks are a legitimate news source. (well they can
    be, so long as you're questioning them about their competitors, lol).  
    they're gullibile, and ambitious, and well-groomed, and they don't
    expect people to lie to them.  they went to schools like my alma mater
    (Williams), but they imagined their professors were all wonderful
    people, and cherish their diplomas.  they can read and digest
    difficult text, and re-cap it on command; they've learned to follow
    complex instructions, meet deadlines with pluck, and go about things
    in a 'professional' manner -- that is, without reluctance, personal
    flair or (Heaven forbid) independent moral reasoning. They lack
    imagination, talent, and most of all, courage.  And they make me sick.
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Brian McWilliams [mailto:bmcwat_private]
    Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 6:46 AM
    To: InfoSec News
    Cc: thomas.greeneat_private
    Subject: RE: [ISN] The Code Red hype Hall of Shame
    You fault eEye for publishing info about the .ida vulnerability, but fail
    to point out that they never released a working exploit (although they
    promised one in their advisory).
    You, on the other hand, provided a link in your article earlier this week
    to the .ida exploit script written by High Speed Junkie:
    Isn't that hypocritical?
    BTW, who are these "twinkie" journalists you referred to? The tech
    reporters who are out there every day doing the journalistic heavy-lifting
    ... trying to understand and explain and put into context the events that
    readers want to know about?
    Or do you mean the aberrations like Meinel?
    Care to name names or give specifics?
    At 05:15 AM 8/11/01, InfoSec News wrote:
    >Forwarded from: Thomas C. Greene <thomas.greeneat_private>
    >Looks like I got the jump on you by about a day:
    >-----Original Message-----
    >From: InfoSec News [mailto:isnat_private]
    >Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 11:40 PM
    >To: isnat_private
    >Cc: thomas.greeneat_private
    >Subject: Re: [ISN] The Code Red hype Hall of Shame
    >Forwarded from: Dan Verton <Dan_Vertonat_private>
    >Greene Writes:
    >We're still at a loss to explain how eEye Digital Security, which
    >discovered and publicized the .ida hole that Code Red and Code Red
    >Junior exploit, has managed to escape questioning by the press for its
    >part in the whole fiasco. Indeed, their role is tantamount to a
    >pharmaceutical company unintentionally releasing a disease germ.
    >I throw this out as an FYI... I raised the issue as far back as July
    >20 and when I was done I felt like a mailman who had just walked into
    >a yard full of rabid dogs.
    >Story is here and was one of the early ones.
    >"Security experts question release of Code Red worm's exploit data"
    >Unfortunately, the commentators who comment on the commentators, don't
    >always get it either. The truth, like politics, is local. Perceptions
    >are reality and most perceptions differ greatly. Like the sys admin
    >who had to spend 30 hours cleaning up his system in the aftermath of
    >Code Red because he did'nt have the patch installed. But he was warned
    >like the rest of them. Unfortunately, he probably thought it was all
    >just more FUD. He, like hundreds of thousands of others, was wrong.
    >Dan Verton
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