Forwarded from: John Q. Public <tpublicat_private> On Fri, 28 Dec 2001, InfoSec News wrote: |Forwarded from: SleuthOneat_private | |In a message dated 12/27/01 12:16:05 PM, Telemann Mediatrix |<genieat_private> writes: | |> In 1994 I was arrested for several different crimes, 11 felonies, |> 9 were federal offenses. | |And somehow you are attempting to justify, excuse and rationalize WHY |the above series of criminal activities were acceptable on the basis |of the idle curiosity of a 16 yr old "child"? Bill: I am making no attempt to defend Telemann's justification, but I must point out that his story appears to have taken place quite a few years ago... |Crap! One of our Sr Techs is a bright 17 yr old that routinely works |on a highly complex network--passed a stringent background check and |random drug-screening and finds ways to lawfully fulfill his |curiosities. I speak up only because there is clearly so much more to do now at a younger age, with all of the technology that has become as commonplace as indoor plumbing... |Teenagers KNOW the difference between right-wrong and legal-illegal. |Perhaps they choose to run with their impulsivity of risk taking |behavior and pay dearly for the consequences of their actions. |Belittling the issue of crimes against property versus crimes against |persons is a weak attempt at mitigating multiple felonies. It's wonderful that there are so many mentors now for our young people to learn from, and it's not surprising that they pick a mentor that is only a few years older than them... |You are on the law enforcement shit list--as is Mitnick. The moral of |the story is don't play unless you're willing to pay and pay dearly. |Arguing the right-wrong behavior of law enforcement, in a democratic |society, is interesting foder for conversation at a bong party. Isn't it surprising that violent and drug-related crimes have not dropped as significantly as "computer crime" has escalated? |I'm sorry that you and others of your ilk came upon a tainted future |for things done out of youthful enthusiasm and curiosity. Only time |can help you re-earn the trust, you seek, in our society. | |Josh Waters |Criminologist I'm sorry that you are proudly identifying yourself as a criminologist when you clearly don't understand the criminals. Just over ten years ago I couldn't get a tech as a senior anything because I had no "experience." I was not brought up in a backward school district, there just was simply no education available to my age group. There was no world wide web, and java was still coffee. I would not have been able to find anyone to grade my C programming. The only way I could experience this stuff was to do it all on my own. I only wished I had the opportunities that your 17 year old coworker has now. You appear to have a problem with Telemann associating his 16 year old age with childlike behavior. Aren't most of the juvenile computer criminals described by their psychologists or psychiatrists as having a social development much lower than other non-criminals in their age group? Is alcohol, drug abuse, shop lifting, et cetera rampant in teens because they all know the difference between right and wrong? Why is it that most criminals are described as being a sociopath or suffering from antisocial personality disorder? If the moral of YOUR story is to not play if you cannot pay the price, how do explain the amount of crime perpetuated by juveniles, AKA, adolescents and immature adults? (hint: check the definitions of those words) I'm sorry that you have chosen the field of criminology and have taken to haphazardly ranting at some random Joe with a bruised past. Preaching to him about reentering society is the position of his parents and elders, though I'm sure he got enough of that years ago. It's clear that his tale was from a time long since past. He has described some of the struggles he has had to deal with, and has luckily landed a job in a high tech arena (which, I presume, was his goal). The opportunities available in his fields of interest are orders of magnitude more abundant than they were when he was younger (God bless Tim Berners Lee). This young man's curiosities can now be dealt with in an employment setting, instead of using his bright mind to pick at things he did not have lawful access to. I would be very surprised if he ever gets in trouble with the law again by acting as an irresponsible technology neophyte. It was clear to me that he now feels what he did was not above the law. Some might say that he used to stray and now has been put on the track. Some might even call him rehabilitated. It's too bad that so many adults have forgotten what it was like to be young, especially when a new technology has popped up in their lifetime and they seem to have a jealous reaction to the younger generation's grasp of it. How would you have reacted to the first teenager to make a prank call on the newly- invented telephone? How about the first young man that "impulsively" took dad's new horseless carriage and ran it into a ditch or up a tree? I see knee-jerk reactions like yours all the time, and it makes me sad. It's interesting that (most) mammals learn by experience. Is it coincidence that Americans under the age of 18 are not automatically "responsible" by law to make certain choices on their own? I'd say this Telemann has learned from his experience and was simply relaying his past to others in relevance to a previous article. We certainly don't need more browbeaters in the world like yourself, especially in any legal profession. Switch to journalism where this is commonplace. .nhoJ PS. Don't be a dick and dig up a bunch of shit on me. That wouldn't be professional. - ISN is currently hosted by Attrition.org To unsubscribe email majordomoat_private with 'unsubscribe isn' in the BODY of the mail.
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