Re: [IWAR] MER: IW attack on Jordan

From: William A. Wilson (wwilsonat_private)
Date: Thu Feb 05 1998 - 14:08:24 PST

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    COncerning your recent message commenting on MER, there are a couple of
    releted comments that I would like to submit. The first is that I have no
    knowledge of the character of Mr. Chomsky, but I appreciate your coming to
    his defense.  Interesting, though that you made no comment concerning
    Ramsey Clark, who together with Jane Fonda Turner would have been guilty of
    treason against the country they claim to be their own when they appeared
    in Hanoi during the Viet Nam confrontation to cause untold suffering to out
    prisoners being held in various camps throughtout that country.
    The reason the were not charged with treason, as I understand it, is
    because that military action was not a declared war, a war declared by
    Congress.  Contrary to you comment of yesterday, the President does NOT
    have the authority to declare war, only the Congress can do that. The
    President can and has, started military incursions, but factually they are
    not wars until Congress so designates.
    Getting back to Mr. Clark, I have no knowledge concerning the accuracy of
    his statements, written or oral, but if he declared that the sun was
    shining, I would quickly move to the nearest window to see what kind of
    weather was out there.
    At 04:19 PM 2/3/98 -0800, you wrote:
    >I believe Noam Chomsky, for one, maintains a reputation for entirely
    >reasonable and accurate information. That JFK Jr. finally grew up out of
    >the Jr. has no bearing whatsoever on the accuracy of their information. The
    >fact that members of the organization support independence for Hawaii has
    >no bearing whatsoever on the accuracy of their information about Jordan and
    >the Middle East.
    >I believe what they are trying to do is stop the decades-old history of
    >United States imperialism and military domination of the third world, which
    >began under Teddy Roosevelt, which uses the intelligencia propaganda
    >dissemination machine engineered by Woodrow Wilson, and which now rules
    >with an iron fist through the National Security Council. I believe one of
    >their purposes is to bring to light the suspension of U.S. Constitutional
    >madates on checks and balances in the 1930's, and the situation which
    >exists today, in which the President can start wars without approval of
    >Congress or the voters, and executive warmaking agencies like the CIA are
    >not accountable to Congress or the people from whom Congress extracts
    >funding. I believe they wish to bring to light the secret wars of the
    >1980's and last half-century; peasant massacres, money laundering, drug
    >smuggling, and all. I believe they wish to bring to light the funding by
    >elitist, religious upper eschalons of the national security state in the
    >U.S. the state of Israel and their wars against their neighbors (be the
    >neighbors good in and of themselves or no). I believe they wish to exercise
    >their right to speak their opinion on these matters without receiving
    >threats of execution. When I say "the right to speak", I do not mean the
    >right as guaranteed in one national constitution or another, or some social
    >contract with the people with the guns and the money, but the right that is
    >given us with life and the ability to think.
    >Seems reasonable to me.
    >Why don't we take a look at what you're trying to do?
    >Mark Hedges
    >>Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 22:48:53 -0800 (PST)
    >>From: almat_private
    >>To: iwarat_private
    >>Subject: Re: [IWAR] MER: IW attack on Jordan
    >>MER -- Mid East Realities -- is a propaganda organization funded by Iran,
    >>Iraq, Lybia, and to a lesser extent Syriah, and Sudan.  It carries news
    >>directly from Hizbullah and Hamas.  On it's board sit Ramsey Clark, Noam
    >>Chomsky, a variety of people who support independance for Hawaii, and John
    >>F. Kennedy (who no longer uses Jr. in his name).  One does not expect
    >>reasonable or accurate information from them.  That is why the post was
    >>titled IW attack on Jordan.  I thought it would be interesting to the group
    >>to take a look at what they are trying to do.

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