Re: ICQ99 crash

From: Eric Stevens (ejstevenat_private)
Date: Tue Feb 16 1999 - 19:59:10 PST

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    Having received a series of flames for the message I sent earlier, I believe
    that I will address this on Bugtraq.  ICQ99 is actually ICQ99a or ICQ99
    alpha.  Since ICQ has never released a non-beta version of its popular
    program, this should probably be considered a beta.  I've heard by rumor
    that the only reason ICQ99 is released at this time is that the source code
    was stolen, so ICQ decided to release it as an alpha release (although I'm
    not certain how reliable that source is, perhpas someone can enlighten me
    further on that privately).  If every release of a program is termed a
    public beta, then it follows that an alpha is really a beta, someone just
    has their naming conventions messed up at ICQ, plus the fact that the
    download page that I read when I originally downloaded the program put forth
    terms of use as reporting bugs to ICQ.  Incidentally, I've tried the same
    exact bug that was reported, and it was unsuccessful.  I've already sent a
    private apology to the original message author for what I later realized may
    have seemed an overly rude message.
    
    
    >On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 08:06:47 -0500, you wrote:
    >
    >>I think you should be aware that ICQ99 is a BETA release.  IT IS NOT
    >>INTENDED FOR USE BY THE GENERAL PUBLIC.  Do not report the bug to Bugtraq,
    >>but instead, do what you agreed to when downloading ICQ99, report it to
    >>ICQ so that they can fix the bug in the general release.  That's the
    >>purpose of BETA.
    >
    >Ordinarily I'd say that's a good rule, but ICQ is an exception to the rule
    IMHO.
    >Let's not kid ourselves, ICQ _is_ in widespread use by the general public.
    It's
    >been in a perpetual beta stage since its release and there doesn't seem to
    be a
    >commercial release in sight. This is not your average beta program.
    >
    >Security flaws and bugs in this program can affect millions of users, and I
    >think that deserves to be addressed on Bugtraq.
    >
    >-Joe
    >
    



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