Do we have any INS folks in this group .... My understanding is, and don't quote me, but any person who enters USA on a work permit, visa and/or green card are advised that they can be detained and/or held for no reason by the INS. This privilege does not apply to state or local law enforcements agency's which is why the Chief Kirkland is doing what he is doing. On the other hand these folks are holding visa/work permits/green card have been back grounded and investigated by the FBI, Interpol etc. These folks all have paper trails,( INS records, school records, taxes, etc,) so allot of the preliminary backgrounding can take place at FBI or INS quarters. An interview would be the last thing, which goes to prove again ... newspapers are more interested in selling papers. As for your law enforcement comments - I was just like you, till I did a ride-along. Quiet frankly. Law enforcement is a thankless job, they deal with all the undesirables and they are "dammed if they do and dammed if they don't". Everybody deserves credit and/or praise for doing there job. A Deputy I went on a ride-along with saved a boy at Multnomah Falls. He took a rope from his patrol car and scaled down a rock face to save this boys life. There was nothing in the newspaper about it ... pretty sad. -----Original Message----- From: Crispin Cowan [mailto:crispin@private] Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 12:28 AM To: webb1973 Cc: BAIRD Dion E * DAS DOIT; Toby Kohlenberg; webb1973; crime@private Subject: Re: CRIME Kudos to Acting Police Chief Andrew Kirkland webb1973 wrote: >I think I've seen some of the reading material you're talking about. Sorry, >but I just don't agree with most of it. ... That's why I'm >thankful every day that I have the opportunity to think, say, and believe >whatever I choose because I am a citizen of the US. Corny as that sounds, I >believe there's no other place better than right here, and even with all >it's faults, our system allows us rights and freedoms unlike anywhere else. > It is not about the US vs. Country X. It is about the US vs. its own ideals, like life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and equal treatment of all under the law. The US can be much better than it is, by adhering to its own ideals, which it is NOT doing. In particular, the current administration is engaging in a horrid power-grab under the guise of "extreme circumstances." Circumstances may be extreme, but the relationship between the circumstances and proposed responses is tenuous, at best. >It's also why I respect your view and believe in your right to express it, > On occasion, feel free to actually respond to any of the points that people have made, rather than resorting to patriotic jingoism. How in the Hell is it ok to round up and question people based on racial profiling? The "they are witnesses, not suspects" excuse is weak, at best. Crispin -- Crispin Cowan, Ph.D. Chief Scientist, WireX Communications, Inc. http://wirex.com Security Hardened Linux Distribution: http://immunix.org Available for purchase: http://wirex.com/Products/Immunix/purchase.html
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