RE: CRIME Kudos to Acting Police Chief Andrew Kirkland

From: webb1973 (webb1973@private)
Date: Fri Nov 23 2001 - 17:56:49 PST

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    The caution is to be able to know facism when we see it and not to place
    labels in the wrong places. I also add my "well said" to Mr. Busby.
    
    -----Original Message-----
    From: owner-crime@/var/spool/majordomo/lists/crime
    [mailto:owner-crime@/var/spool/majordomo/lists/crime]On Behalf Of BAIRD
    Dion E * DAS DOIT
    Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 5:02 PM
    To: 'Busby, Richard'; 'webb1973'; Crispin Cowan; crime@private
    Subject: RE: CRIME Kudos to Acting Police Chief Andrew Kirkland
    
    
    Exactly, and damn well said.  Take a look at what Hitler did before he took
    over Nazi Germany.  He eroded their rights and civil liberties under the
    guise of National Defense.  History always repeats itself somewhere, and it
    has usually learned a lesson or two along the way.
    
    Dion
    
    
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Busby, Richard [mailto:richardb@private]
    Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 3:42 PM
    To: 'webb1973'; Crispin Cowan; crime@private
    Subject: RE: CRIME Kudos to Acting Police Chief Andrew Kirkland
    
    Doesn't anyone see the irony of even being able to have this deabte? We have
    freedom of speech. If we didn't we could not even have this discussion.
    That's what makes the country great. Each of us is entitled to our opinion.
    In Oregon there is also the issue of a statute that indicates that no person
    can be questioned unless they are suspected of a crime.
    
    Civil liberties are never taken away in big pieces, thgey are eroded. as
    Thomas Jefferson said "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." He was
    talking about the citizenry watching out for what the government is doing.
    
    The fascists in the 30's took away rights slowly and piece by piece. Look
    what happened  there.  I applaud any decision that upholds individual
    rights. I am deeply troubled about the 9/11 attacks and the loss of life,
    but that is, in my own personal opinion, absolutely no reason to take away
    anyone's rights.
    
    Thanks for listening.
    
    
    
    -----Original Message-----
    From: webb1973 [mailto:MSN/webb1973@private]
    Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 10:13 PM
    To: Crispin Cowan; crime@private
    Subject: RE: CRIME Kudos to Acting Police Chief Andrew Kirkland
    
    
    Yeah. Way to go, Chief. I'm sure the families who lost loved ones on 9-11
    will enthusiastically support your politically correct decision. And, if,
    and when one or more of the 200 non-citizens does something to contribute to
    more deaths from another terrorist activity, they'll fully understand your
    decision not to ask questions because it was the politically correct thing
    to do. Isn't America great!
    
    -----Original Message-----
    From: owner-crime@/var/spool/majordomo/lists/crime
    [mailto:owner-crime@/var/spool/majordomo/lists/crime]On Behalf Of
    Crispin Cowan
    Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 11:29 AM
    To: crime@private
    Subject: CRIME Kudos to Acting Police Chief Andrew Kirkland
    
    
    Kudos to Acting Police Chief Andrew Kirkland for defending civil
    liberties
    http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/21/national/21PORT.html?ex=1007363873&ei=1&en
    =978%20a71dca117098f
    
    Note: the above URL requires free "registration". You can access the
    article using the user-ID/password combo of "cipherpunks/cipherpunks" or
    "wirex/wirex".
    
    Crispin, card-carrying member of the EFF :-)
    
    --
    Crispin Cowan, Ph.D.
    Chief Scientist, WireX Communications, Inc. http://wirex.com
    Security Hardened Linux Distribution:       http://immunix.org
    Available for purchase: http://wirex.com/Products/Immunix/purchase.html
    



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