Well... the naked women can be attributed to Vegas in general - so go any
time you feel like it.
However, DefCon is the best bargain out there. I encourage everyone to
attend next year. It was $75 to attend. So, even if you don't want to be
part of the "festivities" and just go listen to the speakers it is a great
bargain. Compare it to blackhat the week before - it was ~$1200. Granted,
it was a little more organized and refined and there were more speakers and
they had cookies and coffee on the afternoon breaks. But the content was
remarkably similar; MANY of the speakers gave the same presentation at
both conferences.
The Con was $75, the plane ticket was $166 on delta and if you bargain hunt
around for a hotel you can get by for pretty cheap. So, even if my company
didn't pick up the tab I'd still go.
Just something for you guys out there on the list to think about for next
year.
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Jordan Gackowski
jgackowski@private
Security Consultant
Symantec Corp.
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Every year I miss DefCon and every year I have to listen to all the fun
stories from people. While you guys got to play hacker and look at naked
women I had to slave over hot, smelly gigabit IDSs in Seattle while eating
stale bagels and drinking warm Diet Pepsi.
I hope you catch a cold from all that fun. :-)
Thanks for the mirror of the CD. That was most kind. It will make for some
good airline reading while I go slave over some more hot servers in a big
noisy data center in California.
Andrew Plato
-----Original Message-----
From: Crispin Cowan [mailto:crispin@private]
Sent: Tue 8/6/2002 10:29 AM
To: Jordan Gackowski
Cc: crime@private
Subject: Re: CRIME BlackHat and DefCon
Jordan Gackowski wrote:
>Just got back from Vegas last night - attended DefCon and the
BlackHat
>briefings.
>
>I have the CDs of all the speakers presentations, white papers, etc.
>
We were at DefCon, too. We played an Immunix server in the Capture
the
Flag <http://www.ghettohackers.net/ctf/> games. We were white/"Weiss
Labs", and finished 2nd of 8, just a smidge behind 1st. The Immunix
server was never 0wned. Here's some press coverage
<http://news.com.com/2100-1001-948404.html> and here's a detailed
analysis
<
http://mail.wirex.com/pipermail/immunix-users/2002-August/000511.html
>
from our point of view.
CtF gaming is pretty intense; we were nailed down to the game room
from
10 am to 10 pm the entire time, and too tired to move the rest of the
time, so we didn't see any of the rest of the con. I completely
missed
partaking of all the drinking and naked women :)
Big thanks to Toby, who played for our team and was amazing.
Crispin
--
Crispin Cowan, Ph.D.
Chief Scientist, WireX
http://wirex.com/~crispin/
Security Hardened Linux Distribution: http://immunix.org
Available for purchase:
http://wirex.com/Products/Immunix/purchase.html
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