Re: Dating the creation of a CD-R/RW?

From: Dave Dittrich (dittrichat_private)
Date: Fri Oct 11 2002 - 08:56:03 PDT

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    On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, William Salusky wrote:
    
    > I have had loads of success in "dating" cd images, linux's mkisofs and at
    > least a handful of windows iso image creation tools embed the iso image
    > creation date time into the image.  mkisofs is nice enough to even provide
    > the exact command line used to create the image which can pinpoint "hidden"
    > data within the image via the '-hide' and '-hide-joliet' mkisofs options.
    > ...
    > Just crank up hexedit on the raw cd and scroll for
    > a second or so... it's very easy to find.  Even easier 'strings' output
    > analysis would accomplish the same.
    >
    > --
    > William Salusky
    > changeat_private
    
    Remember, though:  Just about anything can be altered.  ISO images can
    be edited.  A hex editor, a Perl script...  (I've been using this
    latter technique to customize FIRE ISO images before burning them.)
    That's all it takes to change those dates and command lines, and you
    were one keystroke away from doing this in your second paragraph!
    
    I think the best approach is to try to find alternate ways of dating
    files using timestamps on the original system (if you can find it),
    use MD5 hashes to tell if files have changed or not, and use this
    secondary evidence to support your primary evidence.  I would be very
    reluctant to try to prove something based solely on timestamps in an
    ISO CD-ROM.
    
    And one last point: How do you know the system clock was correct on
    the system that created the ISO? ;)
    
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