Re: Time stamping securely

From: Hauke Lampe (H.Lampeat_private)
Date: Mon Oct 14 2002 - 01:53:54 PDT

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    You wrote:
    
    > With all the discussion on validating timestamps, I was 
    > thinking about a cryptographic approach to signing data
    > in such a way that the time it was signed could be
    > validated.
    
    This reminds me of the "eternal logfile" facility
    developed by Lutz Donnerhacke. I don't know if it is still
    publicly usable but you'll find the idea and technical
    description at
    http://www.iks-jena.de/mitarb/lutz/logfile/
    (only in german, I'm afraid)
    
    > Of course one flaw with this approach is that signatures 
    > could be prefetched, then applied later, so this doesn't
    > prove how long the signing took place AFTER the request
    > to the timestamp server
    
    In the eternal logfile, the data (or at least a short
    description) is used as input to the hashing function
    together with the previous hash value. You cannot prefetch
    signatures. If the current hash value is published in
    archived, non-electronic media (newspapers, letter heads),
    there'll be a verifiable trace of hash values that can be
    correlated with a timestamp.
    
    I haven't seen this method in use, though.
    
    HTH,
      Hauke
    
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