RE: Nimda et.al. versus ISP responsibility

From: Michael B. Morell (MMorellat_private)
Date: Thu Sep 27 2001 - 11:27:24 PDT

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    Here is my take..... And No I do not work for an ISP.
    
    The net has a very beautiful feature to it, decentralization.  This allows
    users on the net to have
    vast freedoms without being policed with lots of restrictions.
    
    This freedom places the burden of responsibility solely on the user.  This
    can be bad or good depending on which way
    you look at it.
    
    This gives individuals the freedom to choose what is best for their
    systems/networks.  If I choose not to patch my system, then that is my
    choice.  This is also bad because it allows for irresponsible users to be on
    the net.
    
    I for one, enjoy this freedom.  But I also act responsibly by making sure my
    network is properly safeguarded against such attacks.  And if I find a host
    on my network that is acting offensively, it is shut down.
    
    Now, the question posed is, Should the ISP's be responsible for policing
    hosts on their networks.
    
    The answer is clearly No.   This goes against everything the net stands for.
    
    Now if I as a admin start seeing external threats from another network.  I
    will first send an e-mail to that admin informing him/her of the activity.
    If they refuse to do anything about it or to reply back and I still see
    activity.  I will either block that host or subnet if necessary.
    
    This will be my choice.  Not someone else's.
    
    But to ask an ISP to make that choice for us  is not the answer.  Neither is
    asking our government to police the net.  It is just wrong in so many
    different ways.  Not to mention the potential legal battles between ISP's
    and their customers.
    
    While it is tempting to have ISP's or the Gov police us in order to reduce
    the attacks.  The attacks will always be there and there will always be
    irresponsible people out there.  You can choose to be one or not.  You also
    have the choice to block them.
    
    In the end it's all about having the right to choose.  Don't let anyone take
    that right away.
    
    Michael B. Morell, MCP+I MCSE
    Network Operations Administrator
    Visual Data Corporation
    
    
    
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Luc Pardon [mailto:lucpat_private]
    Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 12:50 PM
    To: incidentsat_private
    Subject: Nimda et.al. versus ISP responsibility
    
    
       I'd like the opinion of the list on the attitude of ISP's versus
    worms. It is clear that we're going to see more of this.
    
      I think we all agree that connecting an unpatched IIS machine to the
    open Internet is acting irresponsibly. Most AUP's already prohibit
    spamming, port scanning etc. (at least on paper). Why not include
    "infection through negligence" as a reason for suspension? Maybe with a
    reasonable grace period the first time. 
    
      Problem is that one ISP can't go it alone. If they pull the plug, they
    may loose the customer to a less responsible competitor.
    
      Unlike spammers, most worm victims are "offending" out of ignorance.
    Such a provision in the AUP would likely get their attention and maybe
    cause a mind shift towards "Unpatched Is Bad (tm)".
    
      What do you all think ?
    
      Luc Pardon
      Skopos Consulting
      Belgium
    
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