Re: Direction of the mailing list/effort

From: David Wagner (dawat_private)
Date: Fri Apr 20 2001 - 19:05:31 PDT

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    Stephen Smalley  wrote:
    >1) Linus said that he wants a truly generic solution.  Now, I could
    >argue that SELinux already provides a truly generic solution - it is
    >already the case that SELinux cleanly separates policy from
    >enforcement, and it can support a wide range of security policies.
    
    Well, I don't think I can implement Janus on top of SELinux, and I
    don't think Janus is particular unusual in this regard, so by that
    measure, I'm not convinced that SELinux is sufficient on its own.
    (But do correct me if I'm wrong!)
    
    I think the reason Linus wanted a truly generic solution is that we
    security folks can't seem to agree on any One Right Answer to this
    problem, so he wanted a mechanism that can support everyone's favorite
    policy.  I think this is a laudable goal.
    
    >3) Linus also said that he would be willing to accept security IDs 
    >into a number of kernel data structures.
    
    I think the right thing to do is include a pointer in appropriate
    data structures that the rest of the kernel will treat as a pointer
    to opaque data.  In my ideal world, if you want to use that opaque
    state to hold a Security ID, you can do that, but if I want to use
    it some other way, I can do so, too.  This seems to strictly generalize
    "Security IDs".
    
    And let me say that I don't consider "Security IDs" policy-independent.
    The type of per-process state that Janus wants to keep is not well
    characterized as a Security ID.  Sorry to harp on about Janus -- I
    don't think there's anything particularly special about Janus -- but
    it is the one system that I know very well...
    
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