RE: [logs] Tamper Proof Logging

From: Moyer, Shawn (SMoyerat_private)
Date: Thu Dec 19 2002 - 14:07:20 PST

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    I would wager that md5sums or similar via Osiris / AIDE / Samhain / etc of
    all the logfiles prior to tape archival, with just the md5sums burned to
    CDR, would be sufficient to show no tampering in most courts, but IANAL.
    
    
    
    --shawn
    
    
    
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Michael C. Ibarra [mailto:ibarraat_private]
    > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 14:08
    > To: loganalysisat_private
    > Subject: Re: [logs] Tamper Proof Logging
    > 
    > 
    > Or, how about a line printer, with a huge buffer :)
    > 
    > -mike
    > 
    > Quoting Bob the Builder <builder173at_private>:
    > 
    > > On a course I did a few years ago the idea of logging 
    > direct to CD-R came
    > > up. Thus meaning that if anyone ever hacked the the logging 
    > server the worst
    > > they could do was prevent any further logging but they 
    > could never delete
    > > already logged data as it was on a write once CD. The only 
    > way to destroy
    > > the data would be to gain physical access to the syslog 
    > server take the CD
    > > out and trash it in an appropriate manor. In most secure 
    > environments this
    > > is considerably more difficult than gaining network access 
    > to the system.
    > > 
    > > I guess in this day and age you would probably implement 
    > such a solution
    > > using write once DVDs instead of CDs. Thinking about it a 
    > solution with two
    > > writers would probably be better as it allows continuous 
    > logging, i.e. DVD-A
    > > becomes full so commence logging on DVD-B, admin change 
    > disc in DVD-A for
    > > new blank media, when DVD-B is full go back to logging on 
    > DVD-A and so on.
    > > Mean while the DVDs get filed in a firesafe or somewhere 
    > else suitable for
    > > such things. This of course does not preclude logging to a 
    > big old hard
    > > drive or raid array or something so that you can have the 
    > data online for
    > > analysis. It just means that the hacker can't modify the 
    > DVD stored trace of
    > > his break in after the fact.
    > > 
    > > Anybody ever heard of such a solution, or is it in reallity just a
    > > completely insane and impractical idea?
    > > 
    > > Regards,
    > > 
    > > PC
    > > 
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