Re: [logs] Syslog payload format

From: Tina Bird (tbird@precision-guesswork.com)
Date: Mon Dec 30 2002 - 18:11:38 PST

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    And (reiterates the moderator, who's getting tired of slogging this dead
    horse)...
    
    I still maintain that it's pointless to worry about how to format the
    messages or transport the messages until you've got at least >some<
    guidance about what kinds of information (or events) ought to be recorded
    in the first place!
    
    So, never mind what actually shows up in your operating system and
    application logs.  What's the information that you log-weenies and
    sys-admin-weenies actually >>use<< to keep things up and running?  Or what
    would you use if it was there?
    
    I keep coming back to apps restarting with a new configuration.  But that
    can't be the only thing we can all think of that we'd like to record.
    
    tbird
    who's just been revising her tutorial notes and being reminded of all the
    questions with no answers, sigh
    
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    On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Marcus J. Ranum wrote:
    
    > Balazs Scheidler wrote:
    > >xnewsyslog(LOG_DAEMON | LOG_INFO,
    > >           "User logged in",
    > >           "%(user)s %(tty)s %(host)s",
    > >           "marcus", "ttyp6", host);
    >
    > This is horrible. You're basically doing the same thing as
    > "old" syslog: you're sticking arbitrary strings out there with
    > no mark-up regarding their semantics.
    >
    > Right now the assembled log-weenies of the world are fighting
    > a battle (that is about to become hugely expensive) to apply
    > significance (i.e.: semantic value) to log data. Continuing to
    > encourage client-side APIs that are devoid of additional
    > semantic data is not helping anything. We may as well stick
    > with stupid old syslog (but fix the transports) and call it sucky
    > enough.
    >
    > mjr.
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