RE: Pen testing a off-site web server

From: Spencer, Ed M. -ND (Ed.M.Spencer.-NDat_private)
Date: Thu May 31 2001 - 08:44:38 PDT

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    The only way to stop this sort of thing that I've seen is through the use of
    limited disclosure requirements in the contracts.  This is done by
    explicitly stating who may see and/or use the report (or any part of the
    report) in the organization or outside of it.  I've seen this information
    included in nearly all contracts from larger organizations performing audits
    (E&Y, TruSecure, others).  This at least provides a deterrent to spreading
    your work around without compensation.  Be careful with this though, you
    have to overcome the 'work for hire' limitations in many states.
    
    I'm no lawyer, but this at least seems to point out the problem to the
    client and hopefully they understand the reasons for the limits and will
    accept them.
    
    Ed Spencer
    MCSE/MCT/CNA/A+/Network+
    Security Analyst - IS Security
    Renaissance Worldwide, Inc. - Walt Disney World
     
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    -----Original Message-----
    From: Mike Forrester [mailto:mikefat_private]
    Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 2:35 PM
    To: pen-testat_private
    Subject: RE: Pen testing a off-site web server
    
    
    Another thing that might need to be discussed during the approval process is
    the disclosure of the results of the test to the web-hosting company.
    Someone is paying you to audit their services, but does the hosting company
    get this information for free?  I did an audit of a web-based content
    delivery service that one of our departments wanted to use.  They sent us an
    eval server and I broke into it fairly easy (RDS bug :) ).  I wrote a
    detailed document for internal use stating all the security problems with
    their server.  One of the managers of the project just emailed the entire
    doc to the company that provided the eval server.  Basically, they got a
    nice detailed security audit for free.  The problem is how do you have them
    fix all the bugs or justify to management that the security of the product
    or service sucks without providing free security consulting to all of your
    vendors?  You are providing security awareness and potential increasing the
    company's security, but should you be doing it for free?  We haven't really
    come up with a solution to the dilemma.  How have others addressed this?
    
    Mike
    



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