Re: Security Audit

From: JCovington (jcovingtoat_private)
Date: Wed Sep 05 2001 - 10:35:36 PDT

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    It's pretty difficult to break the time down per host. Servers may have
    a bunch of services running and each one needs to be scanned, searches
    done for new vulnerabilities, etc. A workstation on the other hand may
    only have only a few services and it becomes a check for
    misconfigurations.
    
    It can also depend on the scanning tools used. A big commercial scanner
    could check all machines pretty efficiently. But then good pentesters
    will follow up on what the scanner found and verify so false positives
    are minimized. Also good pentesters will use a toolbag of scripts and
    utilities as a second level of thoroughness.
    
    And as someone stated before...an attacker could spend weeks going over
    everything in fine detail. For a complete assessment with a good, clear,
    concise report at the end I would say 4-5 days.
    
    -Jim
    
    
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Forrest Rae [mailto:forrest@code-lab.com]
    Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 12:49 PM
    To: pen-testat_private
    Subject: Re: Security Audit
    
    
    Hi Simon,
    Hi pentest-list,
    
    <IMHO>
    
    The time spent is relational to the number of hosts being audited, and
    the security company's defined assessment process.  As a customer, I
    would imagine one has the right to review the processes of your
    consultants.  You should find out if the companies are going to run any
    automatic vulnerability assessment tools such as Nessus, or an in house
    product.  If they are just going to run nessus on you, and print out the
    
    report it generates, do they really need 20+ hours to do that?  (If you
    have several hundred hosts, then they probably do need 20+)  If they do
    100% of the work by hand, then they may require extra time.  This brings
    
    me to question why are they doing assessments by hand when there are
    great tools like Nessus?
    
    A good estimate of time for a "Once Over" breaks down like this:
    
    Vulnerability Assessment:
    20 minutes per host
    
    Penetration Test:
    1 Hour per host
    
    Internal assessments usually take a little longer because you generally
    have access to more services, network devices, employees, etc...
    
    I am also interested in other people's estimates of time per host.  :)
    
    -Forrest
    
    </IMHO>
    
    Simon Wellborne wrote:
    >
    > Hello all,
    >
    > We have a company or two providing quotes on a security audit,
    including
    > penetration tests.
    >
    > I am a little concerned about the amount of hours being quoted for
    some of
    > these tests.
    >
    > >From peoples experience (and I would like to hear from Professionals
    who
    > comduct audits) about what timeframes are 'normally' used.
    >
    > Our network is relatively small (20-40 users + servers).
    >
    > Appreciate all replies
    >
    > Regards
    
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