Yeah, The Australian government just love passing in computer laws, we already have the censorship and ASIO one. Ontop of that we have crap bandwidth, but...it's the governments own ignorance that saves us from these stupid laws. Protecting computers and keeping people safe online can only be done by professional hackers, government sure as hell aint gonna do it. It's only bright minds with the right skill and vision that can. In this bill you notice the ignorance standing out so blatantly: "the Cybercrime Bill 2001 was introduced by the Government in July, and proposes seven new hi-tech offences, covering hacking, denial-of-service attacks, website vandalism, spreading viruses, and using computers in offences such as stalking, fraud and sabotage." Going through the bills the term hacking is used to represent the offense of breaking into a computer without being authorised, but they didn't define it. They use hacking all over the place too, which really is pretty stupid, because as we know a hacker is actually a highly skilled computer specialist/prgrammer and not a cracker. . They don't mention about cracking and they don't mention any current terminology at all, actually. Like whitehats, security engineers, etc. Most professional security engineers can get around this bill ok. The badest part about it is, the government can get a court order, come to our very home and make computer professionals in Australia assist them in crimes. Ontop of that, we have the censorship laws, and a law making it legal for our CIA equivalent ASIO to be allowed to break into any computer in Australia. AND now, more laws telling us we have to assist the goverment in computer crimes. Ontop of all that again we have really bad bandwidth too! So I guess you may notice alot of Australians moving overseas if the Austraian government doesn't lighten up a bit and actually take the time to research into technology. In these times restrictions placed upon people and evolution itself, pisses people off that can actually come to understand change in society and how to keep harmony the right ethical way . Poor Australian networks are going to be a sitting duck in the future of war if they leave it upto our government to PROTECT them and not the actual PEOPLE that can. That's my two bucks worth. Best regards, Michael Korolew IT Security Engineer/Hacker Secured Networks E-Mail: adminat_private "Lock onto Secured.com.au" http://www.gridlocked.net http://www.secured.com.au Luke Potter wrote: This may be a bit off topic, but here goes, The passing of this Bill has been likened to a knee jerk reaction on the governments part, and will greatly influence how security engineers in Australia go about their business. http://australianit.news.com.au/common/storyPage/0,3811,2944524%5E442,00.htm l Sorry about the size of the quote, but this is an extract from the explanatory memoranda for the new bill... This offence is designed to cover persons who possess programs or technology designed to hack into other peoples computer systems or impair data or electronic communication. For example, a person will commit the offence if the person possesses a program which will enable him or her to launch a denial of service attack against a Commonwealth Departments computer system and intends to use the program for that purpose. It would also be an offence for a person to possess a disk containing a computer virus that the person intends to release over the Internet in order to impair data in infected computers. In both instances, the person would also commit the offence if he or she intends to provide the program to another person for the purpose of enabling the other person to impair electronic communication or computer data. There will be many occasions where that intention will be evident from the content of the data. There is no requirements or set conditions which must be met in order for a prosecuting body to determine how 'intent' is to be determined which means that it could be extremely hard to defend yourself if there is a motive (regardless of whether or not you would actually carry it out). Regards Luke ------------------------------------------------------------ This e-mail may be confidential. Any opinions expressed herein are the opinion of the writer unless there is an express indication to the contrary. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies and immediately reply by return e-mail. Ipex ITG disclaims all liability and responsibility for any direct or indirect loss arising from this e-mail and/or any attachments. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided by the SecurityFocus Security Intelligence Alert (SIA) Service. 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