Previous Politech message: "Clarification on Apple's warranties and copy-protected CDs" http://www.politechbot.com/p-03553.html Sorry, Matt, for the domain name typo! -Declan --- Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 11:26:14 -0500 From: Matt Deatherage <mattdat_private> Subject: Re: FC: Clarification on Apple's warranties and copy-protected CDs To: declanat_private On 5/20/02 at 10:16 AM, Declan McCullagh <declanat_private> wrote: > [From MDJ, available at macjournal.com. --DBM] <http://www.macjournals.com/>. We couldn't get the singular domain name, and there's now an Apple Design Award-winning shareware product named "MacJournal", written In Cocoa, for keeping diaries. --Matt --- Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 12:37:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew G. Saroff" <msaroffat_private> Reply-To: "Matthew G. Saroff" <msaroffat_private> To: Declan McCullagh <declanat_private> cc: politechat_private Subject: Re: FC: Clarification on Apple's warranties and copy-protected CDs An interesting sideline on this is that there is a CD copy protection scheme that can be defeated through the use of a marker pen. Quoting: >Music disc copyright protection schemes such a Cactus Data Shield 100/200 >and KeyAudio can be circumvented using tools as basic as marker pens and >electrical tape, crackers have discovered. >The Blue Peter-style hack, which was first unearthed by a reader of >chip.de works by covering up the outer ring of a copyright protected audio disc. >On copy protected discs this outer track is corrupted, which prevents >copying, or even playback, by PCs but is ignored (at least in theory) by >regular CD players. >Simply covering up the outer track disables the protection, allowing a >disc to be played as normal in a PC or Mac. The story also makes mention of how it locks up Macs. I'm wondering if Mac users can sue. It sounds like an illegal hack of their machine to me. Link: http://www.theregus.com/content/54/24940.html -- Matthew Saroff --- From: "Blane Warrene" <bwarreneat_private> To: declanat_private Subject: Re: FC: Clarification on Apple's warranties and copy-protected CDs Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 12:57:23 -0400 As a Mac user - the warranty verbage is a bit muffled and disappointing. However, the underlying issue appears to be more that a company or group of companies released a product which veered right or left of a known industry standard (CD's with copy-protection technology). This caught me by suprise as well with some recent cd's which I was unable to pull their songs into I-Tunes for listening to them on the hard drive. I have actually returned the media for a refund and no longer plan to purchase media from those labels. I of course sent them letters regarding this hoping they would change their minds. --- Blano "The shell is the well" --- Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 14:55:52 -0600 To: declanat_private From: Mark Armbrust <mark.armbrustat_private> Subject: Re: FC: Clarification on Apple's warranties and copy-protected CDs > Apple first removed and then replaced the KnowledgeBase article > [4] on the topic. The new version, dated 2002.05.16, says only > this: "Audio discs that incorporate copyright protection > technologies do not adhere to published Compact Disc standards. > Apple designs its optical disc drives to support media that > conform to such standards." The company suggests you take your > computer in for service if a paranoid CD has crippled it. The word > "warranty" is nowhere to be found in the new article. It's not > clear if Apple has changed its policy or not, but at least the > company isn't publicly blaming you for not reading the fine print > on CDs. (MDJ_ 2002.05.12) Seems to me that the customer should then file in small claims court to recover the cost of the service call from the CD label. --Mark --- To: declanat_private, gnuat_private Subject: Re: FC: Clarification on Apple's warranties and copy-protected CDs Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 14:01:07 -0700 From: John Gilmore <gnuat_private> Is Sony selling Apple the CD drives that lock up when consumers put Sony copy-protected discs into them? This is a point that would require more investigation, but I know that Sony used to make a lot of the parts that go into Macintoshes. For example, the power supplies, some of the monitors, and the floppy drives. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Like Politech? Make a donation here: http://www.politechbot.com/donate/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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