FC: Some defenses of political spam and Sen. Lieberman's bulk mail

From: Declan McCullagh (declanat_private)
Date: Sat Jan 25 2003 - 08:58:43 PST

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    If you've got nothing else to do this afternoon, I'll be on CNN at 2 pm ET 
    today talking about political spam. Also, I went on NPR's for On the Media 
    this week to talk about political e-mail astroturfing. The show airs on 
    most NPR stations at different times over the weekend:
    http://www.wnyc.org/onthemedia/stations.html
    
    Previous Politech messages:
    
    "Weekly column: Sen. Joseph Lieberman, spammer-in-chief?"
    http://www.politechbot.com/p-04335.html
    
    "Can we stop Sen. Joseph Lieberman from spamming?"
    http://www.politechbot.com/p-04336.html
    
    -Declan
    
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    Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:17:43 -0500
    To: declanat_private
    From: Marc Rotenberg <rotenbergat_private>
    Subject: Re: FC: Can we stop Sen. Joseph Lieberman from spamming?
    
    "I'm sorry, Mr. Paine, the British Colonialist
    Communications Act prevents the publication of
    Common Sense. You need to get permission from
    your readers before you write to them with your
    concerns about British rule."
    
    Marc Rotenberg
    
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    Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 21:35:56 -0700
    From: "Allen S. Thorpe" <athorpeat_private>
    To: declanat_private
    Subject: Re: FC: Weekly column: Sen. Joseph Lieberman, spammer-in-chief?
    
    I won't call it spam until I keep getting the same message over and 
    over.  Political candidates have a right to contact the voters, and this is 
    as good as any.  If it gets to be like the wall-to-wall TV ads ahead of 
    elections I'd filter it, but I think it's more important than the usual 
    spam content.
    
    I think the "adventure" theme is poor campaigning, however.  Who cares if 
    Lieberman is thrilled to be a candidate?  The real issue is what his 
    qualifications are and what his policies will be.  If this is for 
    fundraising, I'm not inclined to pay for his excellent adventure.
    
    Allen S. Thorpe
    Castle Dale, UT  84513
    
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    Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 04:23:05 -0500 (EST)
    From: Alan Brown <alanbat_private>
    To: declanat_private
    Subject: MEDIA: Re: Sen. Joseph Lieberman, spammer-in-chief?
    In-Reply-To: <20030120215553.A27870at_private>
    
    On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, Declan McCullagh wrote:
    
     > Since y'all enjoyed my FTC spam article so much, I thought the list would
     > appreciate my column today:
     > http://news.com.com/2010-1071-981258.html
    
    I suspect large scale political spam may be a good thing, long term.
    
    After all, wasn't it misuse of "protected political speech" which led to
    quite strong laws about the use of loudspeaker trucks?
    
    How would some of these politicians react to being served with lawsuits
    from large ISPs for theft of services?
    
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    From: "Suresh Ramasubramanian" <sureshat_private>
    To: <declanat_private>, <politechat_private>
    Cc: <bradat_private>
    Subject: RE: Brad Templeton on Sen. Lieberman, laws, and overseas spam
    Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:35:51 +0530
    
    On Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:32 AM [GMT +0530=IST],
      Declan McCullagh (declanat_private) writes:
    
     > Subject: FC: Brad Templeton on Sen. Lieberman, laws, and overseas spam
     > From: Brad Templeton <bradat_private>
     >
     > I think people fear not just candidate mail when it comes to
     > political spam.  Many people feel that dealing with spam must
     > be done in a content-neutral way, with no special punishments
    
    Excellent point.  I personally believe in what is an often repeated quote on
    news.admin.net-abuse.email - "Spam is not about content, it is about
    consent".
    
    "Praise the Lord" and "Vote for me" are as much spam as "Herbal Viagra" or
    URGENT BUSINESS PROPOSALs from relatives of dead African generals.
    
     > (Not that domestic spam laws have much chance of actually working.
     > We have 25 spam laws now, I think, and none have done a whit against
     > spam nor shown much sign of doing so.  However, the definition of
    
    Spam laws are merely an additional stick to beat spammers with.  The FTC's
    efforts against spam that shills illegal products, or the USPIS' efforts
    against mail fraud through spam (the pyramid scheme / chain letter MLM
    stuff) are just extensions of offline efforts to nail such crimes when they
    are sent over fax (or handbills stuffed into your mailbox).
    
     > In fact, attempts to regulate only advertising fail, as a good
     > percentage of spam today is not advertising.  (The most common spam
     > is a confidence trick that offers no product for sale but offers to
     > give you 22 MILLION DOLLARS hidden in a Nigerian bank.)
    
    These are, as I said, online extensions of scams that have been running for
    decades offline in postal mail, fax, classified ads in newspapers,
    whatever - these are just online versions of assorted mail and wire fraud
    scams.
    
    The spam that *has* to be addressed is often not covered under any law
    (indeed, is sometimes specifically exempted in some cases).  The spam I am
    speaking about is "optout" (or "unconfirmed optin" spam by otherwise
    legitimate companies, the online equivalent of cold calling in the
    telemarketing industry.
    
    The major issue here is not just privacy (though that _is_ the next most
    important issue).  What sets spam (unsolicited bulk email) apart from other
    intrusive marketing techniques is the fact that it is a transference of
    cost.  The sender bears almost zero cost.
    
    The sender's ISP, the owner of whatever server(s) and networks this spam
    passes through (sometimes, without the server owner's consent, as in spam
    through open relays / proxies), the recipient's ISP, the recipient himself
    (you say the net is free / cheap?  try reading your mail over a cellphone or
    blackberry, for example).
    
    Add to this the non-obvious cost of spam - such as when a bible belt
    christian who is a senior executive in a large organization gets spammed
    with (say) porn advertising "chicks with horses".  Her time is worth a *lot*
    to the company - so any loss the company bears by her being so upset that
    she has to take the day off, go home and cry.
    
    More of the same in this article -
    http://www.spider.tm/jan2003/coverstory.shtml (sorry for the typos and the
    missing URLs in the article - none of which are of my making) :(
    
    	srs
    
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    Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 07:25:40 -0700
    To: declanat_private
    From: Charlie Oriez <coriezat_private>
    Subject: Re: FC: Brad Templeton on Sen. Lieberman, laws, and overseas
       spam
    In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030120223209.02816f40at_private>
    
    Good reason content based filtering doesn't work -
    
    Spamnix, based on content, decided that your message was spam (see 
    below).  If I were blocking instead of just tagging, it would have been 
    deleted instead of read.  Yet if the system isn't reliable enough to let 
    me  block/delete the spam unread, it isn't doing the job.
    
    Spam is not about content, it's about consent.  Although I have run for 
    office previously as a Democrat, I reported Democratic spam this year just 
    as quickly as I reported Republican National Committee spam in previous 
    years.  A candidate who views theft as an acceptable means of getting his 
    message out lacks the integrity to hold office regardless of his party.
    
    People wanting to proactively block the spammer should list
    207.44.162.44 as the likely mail server
    
    If you want to block the ISP who refuses to take them down for spamming, 
    the range is
    NetRange: 207.44.128.0 - 207.44.255.255  This will avoid the possibility of 
    their ISP moving them around to avoid blocking lists.
    
    If you want comment on why they haven't been terminated already, contact
    TechName: Williams, Randy
    TechPhone: +1-713-400-5400
    TechEmail: adminat_private
    
    
    
    
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