FC: Jamie Love on TRUSTe, spam, and industry best practices

From: Declan McCullagh (declanat_private)
Date: Tue Jan 28 2003 - 08:24:50 PST

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    [Jamie is a longtime Politech subscriber who works for (some would say is 
    the soul of) the Consumer Project on Technology, a Ralph Nader group that 
    is not exactly opposed to government regulation. Previous Politech message: 
    http://www.politechbot.com/p-04378.html --Declan]
    Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:44:25 -0500 (EST)
    Subject: Re: FC: TRUSTe on spam and industry adopting best practices
    From: "James Love" <james.loveat_private>
    To: <declanat_private>
    Cc: <politechat_private>, <fmaierat_private>
    Declan, given the massive amount of spam I receive every day, I would have
    to say voluntary methods of regulating spam are a failure by any
    reasonable standard, and the only interesting debate is over what type of
    government regulation makes sense.  In our opinion, a simple labeling
    requirement for unsolicited commerical spam is a no-brainer, if it is
    simple and if the requirements are implemented across borders.  The reason
    there is no cross border cooperation on rules is both ideological and the
    result of lobbying by firms that dream the Internet will be a haven for
    self-regulation on other issues.  Hence, we tolerate spam, to prevent
    cross border consumer protection measures from getting off the ground.
    James Love
    http://www.cptech.org mailto:james.loveat_private
    mobile +1.202.361.3040
    Date: 28 Jan 2003 10:34:04 -0500
    From: "John R Levine" <johnlat_private>
    To: "Declan McCullagh" <declanat_private>
    Subject: Re: FC: TRUSTe on spam and industry adopting best practices
     > TRUSTe encourages companies to look into approaches such our Trusted Sender
     > program, ...
    I am not a big fan of TRUSTe, since their web seal program is worthless
    (they'll certify anything so long as it's documented, and they don't
    discipline seal-holders who lie) but the trusted sender program looks
    surprisingly good.
    The sender promises that what they're sending isn't spam, for a reasonable
    definition of spam, then trusted sender then adds a crypto signature
    header that recipients can check.  If they get complaints, they stop
    signing (with this last part being yet to be demonstrated, of course.)
    Ray Everett-Church of CPO and Alladvantage fame is involved and can tell
    you more, rayat_private
    John Levine, johnlat_private, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
    Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://iecc.com/johnl, Sewer Commissioner
    "More Wiener schnitzel, please", said Tom, revealingly.
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