Wow, the Hatch folks responded quickly. But at least the hearing video, the link to which had quietly disappeared from judiciary.senate.gov, is archived -- see the first message, below, from Dave Farber's IP list. Also we see a problem with the Senate's web site (not just Hatch's). They don't check the URL given to a cgi-script against a list to ensure it's legitimate. So they run the risk of silliness like this: http://www.senate.gov/cgi-bin/exitmsg?url=http://www.politechbot.com/ http://www.senate.gov/cgi-bin/exitmsg?url=http://www.sex.com/ http://www.senate.gov/cgi-bin/exitmsg?url=http://www.practicalanarchy.org/ http://www.senate.gov/cgi-bin/exitmsg?url=http://www.senatesucks.com/ Previous Politech message: http://www.politechbot.com/p-04864.html -Declan --- From: Michele Fuortes <mfuortesat_private> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 23:24:02 -0400 To: daveat_private Subject: Re: [IP] Orrin Hatch comments video available online Hi Dave The video of the Senate Judiciary Committee is available from the Senate site at: rtsp://video.webcastcenter.com/srs_g2/judiciary061703p.rm The comments in question start around 1 hour:20 minutes into the file. It does not seem to me that Sen. Hatch was making those comments as a joke. But you and all IPers can listen to him yourself and judge. Michele Fuortes -- Michele Fuortes, MD/PhD Assistant Professor Departments of Surgery and of Cell and Developmental Biology Cornell University Medical College E-mail: mfuortesat_private --- You can see Google's cache at: http://216.239.57.100/search?q=cache:DsEbIR8MVosJ:www.senate.gov/~hatch/index.cfm%3FFuseaction%3DStudents.Utah+&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 Please remove my e-mail if you quote me. Alex Neuman Panama City, Republic of Panama --- Declan, do you happen to have a copy - or know of anyone who has a copy of Hatch's embarrassing video with the 'hack the PC' statement? i've just completed remixing an album made from Madonna's 'what the fuck do you think you're doing?' decoy mp3s [see http://www.madgelloland.org/irixx/madonna/ , album available at http://www.justablip.co.uk] . Tom Barger, a fellow political campaigner, suggested to myself and John von Seggern of Digital Cutup Lounge that the Hatch statement might be an ideal target for a followup remix campaign. it would make an excellent statement for fair use rights to chop up his words and use them in a parody! do feel free to include this letter on your mailing list, if you feel its possible that anyone might still have the video file. i can be contacted at iriXx AT iriXX DOT org. all the best, and thank you as ever for running such an invaluable mailing list and for continuing to expose and uphold the truth. iriXx --- Reply-To: <ncochraneat_private> From: "Nathan Cochrane" <ncochraneat_private> To: <declanat_private> Subject: RE: Orrin Hatch's personal homepage links to a porn site Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 15:16:40 +1000 Hi Declan I've updated Ramblings with the link: http://bilskirnir.blogspot.com/ --- Subject: Re: FC: Orrin Hatch's personal homepage links to a porn site To: declanat_private Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 05:34:03 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030620002740.041ca488at_private> from "Declan McCullagh" at Jun 20, 2003 12:33:34 AM From: Jack <jackat_private> Declan McCullagh said: > > It's no joke. If you go to Orrin Hatch's site and click on "my utah search" > on the right, you'll end up at a porn site: > http://www.senate.gov/~hatch/index.cfm?Fuseaction=Students.Utah > > This is of course the same Orrin Hatch who's an unapologetic antiporn crusader: > http://www.politechbot.com/p-03467.html > > And hardly a friend of free expression in general: > http://www.politechbot.com/p-00600.html > > Go to Hatch's page before the link is removed. On Wednesday afternoon, the > extremely embarrassing video file with Hatch's destroy-the-PCs remarks > was quietly disappeared from judiciary.senate.gov. It's already gone. But it's still there in Google's cache: <http://216.239.57.100/search?q=cache:DsEbIR8MVosJ:www.senate.gov/~hatch/index.cfm%3FFuseaction%3DStudents.Utah+&hl=en&ie=UTF-8> Based on the DNS record, I'd wager that the link originally led somewhere else, but that changed about a month ago... Checking server [whois.enom.com] Results: Domain name- myutahsearch.com Nameservers- ns.10k.net ns3.10k.net Start of registration- 05/14/03 00:00:00 Registered through- 05/14/04 00:00:00 Jack --- Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 22:41:52 -0700 From: Anthony Mournian <mournianat_private> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: declanat_private Subject: Re: FC: Orrin Hatch's personal homepage links to a porn site Declan, It seems to have been removed from the homepage, but not from this link: <<http://www.senate.gov/cgi-bin/exitmsg?url=http://www.myutahsearch.com/>http://www.senate.gov/cgi-bin/exitmsg?url=http://www.myutahsearch.com One wonders how this happened! A bit like Mr. William Bennett? Is this comeuppance? Now I suppose TIA will track everyone of us who has gone to the site within the last 24 hours. --- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:21:22 +0200 From: Ole Andersen <oleat_private> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030425 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, da, sv, nb, no, sv-fi, nn MIME-Version: 1.0 To: declanat_private >>Go to Sen. Hatch's web site >><<http://www.senate.gov/~hatch/index.cfm?Fuseaction=Students.Utah>http://www.senate.gov/~hatch/index.cfm?Fuseaction=Students.Utah> >>[senate.gov] and click on the "MyUtahSearch.com" >><<http://www.senate.gov/cgi-bin/exitmsg?url=http://www.myutahsearch.com/>http://www.senate.gov/cgi-bin/exitmsg?url=http://www.myutahsearch.com/> >>[senate.gov] graphic on the right hand side of the page. It redirects >>you to a [not safe for work] pr0n site. No MyUtahSearch.com anymore - now it has SkiUtah.com -- Ole Andersen, Copenhagen, DK * oleat_private * http://palnatoke.net Thesis #14: Corporations do not speak in the same voice as these new networked conversations. To their intended online audiences, companies sound hollow, flat, literally inhuman. - Cluetrain Manifesto --- Subject: RE: Orrin Hatch: It's OK to destroy P2P pirates' computers Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 01:25:31 -0700 Message-ID: <9B52AA04500C5F468E3B6EEADA7490850FFDA5at_private> From: "Clinton D. Fein" <clinton.feinat_private> To: <declanat_private> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Wouldn't it be absolutely fantastic if politicians self-destructed after ignoring two stern warnings against proposing idiotic legislation? If that's the only way, then I'm all for their self-destruction. If you have just a few of those, I think politicians would realize the seriousness of their actions. There's no excuse for blatant stupidity by those elected to serve our interests. Hatch's proposal would potentially unleash irreparable damage on innocent people, including legitimate copyright holders, destroying personal or sensitive materials. Given Orrin Hatch was spending fortunes to tell us what he would do when elected President with less than 1% of potential voters behind him, it's actually remarkable that anyone actually can take what he says seriously, or consider his comments with a straight face. If he wasn't one of the dangerous loose canon, backtracking, slimy hypocrites stacking the courts I would find his preposterous proposal amusing. 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