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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:44:33 -0500
From: Rich Kulawiec <rsk@private>
To: Dave Farber <dave@private>
Cc: declan@private
Subject: Re: [IP and Politech] "Permission-based email marketers" confused
about CAN SPAM law [sp]
Sigh. "Permission-based email marketers" is merely a fancy term for
"spammers".
As in, for example:
> loren@private
Uptilt.com? Ah, yes. Spammers. Already noted on at least these lists of
spammer domains:
http://obob.manilasites.com/
http://geocities.com/filterlists/domainnames.txt
http://www.river.com/ops/spam/bad-domains.txt
http://www.spamblocked.com/killfile
http://www.tls.cena.fr/%7Eboubaker/JunkTrap/domains.blacklist
http://www.znet.com/blocked-domains.html
A bit of discussion about their spamming operation:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&safe=off&q=uptilt.com&btnG=Google+Search&meta=group%3Dnews.admin.net-abuse.email
Some example sightings of spam from them:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=uptilt.com+group:news.admin.net-abuse.sightings&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=news.admin.net-abuse.sightings&safe=off&sa=G&scoring=d
The most recent spam from them (from the link just above): January 28, 2004:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=uptilt.com+group:news.admin.net-abuse.sightings&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=news.admin.net-abuse.sightings&safe=off&scoring=d&selm=20040129225721.918CD1BDE7B%40kalyani.oryx.com&rnum=1
Some example sightings of spam from one of their other domains (up0.net):
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&safe=off&q=up0.net&btnG=Google+Search&meta=group%3Dnews.admin.net-abuse.sightings
Admits renting lists of addresses (and then trying to scrub them) in this
thread:
http://www.mail-archive.com/spamcon-marketing@private/msg00003.html
And so on.
Oh, they might very well comply with YOU-CAN-SPAM: don't know, don't care.
What I care about is that they have a long history of spamming and have
thus earned permanent blocking in all mail systems under my control.
---Rsk
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 08:18:14 -0800
To: Declan McCullagh <declan@private>
From: "Brian W. Antoine" <abuse@private>
Subject: Re: [Politech] "Permission-based email marketers" confused
about CAN SPAM law [sp]
At 07:42 AM 1/28/04, you wrote:
> The federal CAN-SPAM law took effect on January 1, and is
intended to curb the proliferation of unsolicited emails. CAN-SPAM contains
requirements that must be met by all mailers whether an email message is
unsolicited or permission based. Companies sending unsolicited emails must
include a clear notice that the message being sent is an advertisement or
solicitation, among other requirements.
And working at the abuse desk of an ISP, the only effect I've seen is
that it makes idiots easier to identify. The true spammers have no
intention of obeying the law, but I've see a few companies who took the
passage of I-CAN-SPAM as permission to SPAM as long as they complied
with the opt-out rules of the law.
They get their a slightly different bounce message than our standard
one as we blacklist them until the heat death of the universe.
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 13:25:47 -0800
To: Declan McCullagh <declan@private>
From: Steve Schear <s.schear@private>
Subject: Re: [Politech] "Permission-based email marketers" confused
about CAN SPAM law [sp]
>In a new benchmark audit of 100+ major email marketers, 95 percent include
>an unsubscribe process, as mandated by the law. At the same time, just 56
>percent were in compliance with one of the simplest aspects of CAN-SPAM
>the new requirement to add a postal mailing address. The informal survey
>will be replicated later in Q1, to determine changes in compliance patterns.
The new law requires a "valid postal address". From the USPS perspective
this means an address which can receive postal deliveries. The law does
not state that this address must be valid for the SENDER.
steve
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