[Politech] One more round on Californians ratting out neighbors' cars [priv]

From: Declan McCullagh (declan@private)
Date: Thu Apr 29 2004 - 21:19:23 PDT

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    Subject: Re: [Politech] Mixed feelings about Californians ratting out 
    neighbors'	cars [priv]
    Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 21:03:32 -0400
    From: mistercat@private
    To: Declan McCullagh <declan@private>
    Mr. McCullagh,
         As a military member, I almost by definition never live in the 
    state that my cars
    are registered.  I'm surprised that CA which reaps the benefit of a 
    large number of
    bases would enact a program that is almost designed to alienate military 
    I particularly don't like programs that will generate even more ill will 
    between people
    serving their country and wearing it's uniform, and the states and 
    communities that
    we live in.
          College students are probably in the same boat, with even less 
    resources and
    course of defense than I would.  I'm sure I could think of many other 
    that are migratory by nature that will find this program just as offensive.
         Just to test out the CA system, I'm going rat out myself (CA was my 
    last duty
    station), and see just what sort of response I get.  I'll keep you 
    posted on the results,
    if you're interested.
    Bryan W
    14 years of service
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    Subject: RE: [Politech] Mixed feelings about Californians ratting out 
    neig	hbors' cars [priv]
    Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:30:21 +0200
    From: Blank, Brian Mr. [CACI Corp] HQ, USAREUR/7A, G4	 
    To: 'Declan McCullagh' <declan@private>
    Hi Declan,
    Just for grins, I tested out the system by providing false information.  For
    what it's worth, I am have been in and around Heidelberg, Germany for the
    last 10 years.  Upon clicking the submit button, you are informed that the
    data has been sent to the CHP and are then presented with an email window.
    Therefore, this site does not allow for someone to submit information
    anonymously unless you have an anonymous email address that you can send
    from.  It does not care whether you are a resident of California.  Hell, it
    doesn't even care if you are a resident of the US.
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    Subject: RE: [Politech] Mixed feelings about Californians ratting out 
    neighbors' cars [priv]
    Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:37:09 -0700
    From: The Exodus Group <exodusgrp@private>
    Reply-To: <exodusgrp@private>
    To: 'Declan McCullagh' <declan@private>
    On this argument, two quotes come to mind:
    "A conservative is someone who has never been in jail.
    A liberal is someone who has never been mugged."
    "There are always good reasons and then there are real reasons for laws."
    Traffic enforcement is primarily about revenue-- not public safety, despite
    the fact that some public safety benefit is obtained. In California, the CHP
    retirement system is maintained by vehicle registration fees. Check out what
    they earn on the same website-- $90K/year and 90% of that after 20 years of
    revenue enforcement. Traffic court generates more revenue per hour than a
    neurosurgical team.
    A tip of the hat to the gentleman pointing out that you can't have it both
    ways: You want government enforcing law? You're going to get not only the
    good benefit of spam control but you are going to get the real cost in terms
    of censorship and likely shutdown of the public Internet.
    While I think LewRockwell.com and libertarians generally are wrong-headed on
    a number of issues most especially outsourcing jobs internationally, I
    commend the site to those who want to get their thinking straight about the
    legitimacy of government.
    Many states place their highway patrol in the table of organization under
    their department of revenue. They at least fund their criminal justice
    growth industry, the adjective criminal modifying justice, as in it is a
    criminal system. If the proceeds enter the general fund, the state
    perpetrates all manner of other mischief with the money. The basis of all
    tyranny is revenue.
    I am a government-hater as a result of having the boot of government on my
    neck. I am also a bicycling environmentalist, former National Park ranger,
    and wilderness mountaineer, now in my late 50s, who prefers the free market
    to the police/welfare state-- even though I shall have to work the rest of
    my life because of central bank monetary policy and Social Security being a
    fraud from its inception. I suggest these not subjects to be treated
    lightly. If you are interested and committed, learn more about it. There
    were not 3% of the Colonists who supported secession from England.
    James Clayton
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    Subject: Re: [Politech] Mixed feelings about Californians ratting out 
    neighbors' cars [priv]
    Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 19:55:36 -0500
    From: Jim Davidson <davidson@private>
    To: Declan McCullagh <declan@private>
    CC: cbuja@private, Billy.Harvey@private, parks@private
    Dear Christopher,
     > of course, the same subject heading could read "CHP asks for help in
     > getting everyone to pull their own weight"  Hard not to get tired of
     > the
     > number of Texas and Idaho plates, one sees.   And this from someone who
     > grew up in a very central-government-leery state of Montana.
    First off, why is it that the taxes collected in issuing
    license plates (property taxes, fees, etc.) are consensual
    obligations?  The state is not a free enterpriser.  It is
    coercive.  It insists that it be paid and offers no free
    choice in the matter.
    Second, why are you tired of Texas and Idaho plates?  Are
    you familiar with the "full faith and credit" or reciprocity
    clause of the USA constitution?  People from Texas and
    Idaho are allowed to register their cars in their own states.
    California and its fascist highway patrol are obligated to
    respect the registrations of such cars, just as the courts
    in California are obligated to respect the marriages and
    adoptions and other contractual events that take place in
    other jurisdictions.
    Or were you also sickened by all those couples whose marriages
    in Texas or Idaho were not reviewed and approved by a license
    in California?  Tired of all those businesses which are
    incorporated in Texas and Idaho and receiving payments from
    Californians without incorporating in California?  Too bad.
    Either amend the national constitution, or live with it.
    [snipped some points that were more personal than general --Declan]
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