[Politech] Criticisms of Scientific American editorial on Bush & science

From: Declan McCullagh (declan@private)
Date: Tue May 04 2004 - 21:53:21 PDT

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    Subject: RE: [Politech] Scientific American slams Bush for biased science
    Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 07:30:04 -0700
    From: Falk, Donald M. <DFalk@private>
    To: Declan McCullagh <declan@private>
    
    Some of this does raise genuine concerns, but to say that UCS "often
    tilts left" is like saying MoveOn.org "often disagrees with the
    President."  My guess is that the anti-trafficking regs that have been
    interpreted in a way that discourages scientific publications will be
    straightened out, but that UCS will still be concerned that we are not
    doing enough to ensure a free flow of cash, weapons and weapons-related
    information to Iran, Cuba, Syria, North Korea, and the other bastions of
    free thought and scientific progress on the list.
    
    
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    Subject: Re: [Politech] Scientific American slams Bush for biased science
    Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 02:11:41 -0400
    From: Andrew Ackerman <amacker@private>
    To: Declan McCullagh <declan@private>
    References: <4091D902.4050704@private>
    
    Declan:
    
    It's a damning argument the SciAm editors make here, as you point out.
    But they lost a lot of credibility for hosting a shamefully biased and
    arrogant forum in their magazine two years ago: an 11-page response to
    Bjørn Lomborg's "The Skeptical Environmentalist." The forum is available
    here: <http://www.sciam.com/print_version.cfm?articleID=000F3D47-C6D2-
    1CEB-93F6809EC5880000>. It illustrates the way ideology has created a
    debate paralysis on the issue of the environment. This editorial
    highlights another node in that kerfuffle. Bush is presented without much
    nuance. He's just the worst environmental president ever. I'm not trying
    to stand up for Bush's policies, only point out that SciAm editors do
    indeed appear to have the bias you suggest.
    
    -Andrew Ackerman
    
    
    
    
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    Subject: Re: [Politech] Scientific American slams Bush for biased science
    Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:57:49 -0400
    From: Richard Herrell <rherrell@private>
    To: Declan McCullagh <declan@private>
    References: <4091D902.4050704@private>
    
    Hi Declan,
    
    Your readers may be interested in Michael Crichton's comments about
    Scientific American given in his excellent lecture on the politics and
    science entitled "Aliens Cause Global Warming".  He argues that the
    magazine is opposed to some scientific inquiry on political grounds, as
    he writes:
    
    "Worst of all was the behavior of the Scientific American, which seemed
    intent on proving the post-modernist point that it was all about power,
    not facts. The Scientific American attacked Lomborg for eleven pages,
    yet only came up with nine factual errors despite their assertion that
    the book was "rife with careless mistakes." It was a poor display
    featuring vicious ad hominem attacks, including comparing him to a
    Holocust denier. The issue was captioned: "Science defends itself
    against the Skeptical Environmentalist." Really. Science has to defend
    itself? Is this what we have come to?
    
    "When Lomborg asked for space to rebut his critics, he was given only a
    page and a half. When he said it wasn't enough, he put the critics'
    essays on his web page and answered them in detail. Scientific American
    threatened copyright infringement and made him take the pages down.
    
    "Further attacks since have made it clear what is going on. Lomborg is
    charged with heresy. That's why none of his critics needs to
    substantiate their attacks in any detail. That's why the facts don't
    matter. That's why they can attack him in the most vicious personal
    terms. He's a heretic.
    
    "Of course, any scientist can be charged as Galileo was charged. I just
    never thought I'd see the Scientific American in the role of mother church."
    
    http://www.pivot.net/~jpierce/aliens_cause_global_warming.htm
    
    Regards,
    
    Richard Herrell
    
    
    
    
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    Subject: Re: [Politech] Scientific American slams Bush for biased science
    Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 23:49:23 -0700 (PDT)
    From: John Bartley or K7AAY@private <johnbartley3@private>
    To: Declan McCullagh <declan@private>
    
    Believe that Sceintific Amaerican has a history of bias, as documented
    by Dr Jerry Pournelle and others.
    
    
    
    
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    Subject: Re: [Politech] Scientific American slams Bush for biased  science
    Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:26:39 -0700
    From: David Mercer <radix42@private>
    To: Declan McCullagh <declan@private>
    
    Declan, if this whole hoorah is, as it appears, because they were ignored by
    the administration about global warming, perhaps the following tidbit 
    will put
    things in perspective.
    
    You have no doubt this year at least seen headlines about the Japanese Earth
    Simulator, fastest (still?) single computer on the planet.  Climate models
    run on it have been the first to have the resolution for hurricanes to
    spontaneously
    arise in a computer model from chaotic interactions (in other words, with no
    code to simulate them).  No past computer climate models have been this
    acurate.
    
    So if this is the first model to ever have "natural" hurricanes, I am 
    more than
    a bit dubious regarding the global warming predictions of past models. 
    It's no
    secret that they haven't been able to simulate past weather, but this is a
    measure
    of how bad the state of the (poor) art that has driven the global warming
    outcry
    has been.  As Galileo, Einstein and I'm sure many other scientist who were
    ridiculed
    in the past by the establishment, and later turned out to be correct, would
    testify,
    consensus among scientists, no matter how prominent, has nothing to do with
    truth.
    
    Calls to action with as scant of firm conclusions as are available at 
    this time
    strikes me as no more than political grandstanding.  Maybe they'll be less
    ignored
    when the models they're using to cry that the sky is falling are at least
    acurate
    to model the past.  Premature, macro-economic actions, such as pondered by
    Kyoto,
    may indeed do more harm than good.  No one knows, and we do indeed need to
    find out.
    
    But blind calls for "doing something" at this stage, and self-interested
    statements
    such as "this input should always be weighed from an objective and
    impartial perspective to avoid perilous consequences.... The administration
    of George W. Bush has, however, disregarded this principle"
    strike me as very disingenious.
    
    Sincerely,
    
    David Mercer
    Tucson, AZ
    
    
    
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    Subject: RE: [Politech] Scientific American slams Bush for biased science
    Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 15:03:54 -0600
    From: Jerome Borden <jcborden@private>
    Reply-To: jcborden@private
    To: Declan McCullagh <declan@private>
    
    Dear Declan,
    
    A couple of thoughts from the "Science Front":
    
    Methane is reputed to be a more potent greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide.
    It is also known that termites produce more of it than cows.
    Termites thrive in the detritus found in overgrown forests with lots of
    dead wood.  So, why is the "Environmental Lobby" so dead set against the
    "Healthy Forest Initiative?
    
    Global Warming and carbon dioxide is based on questionable science.  What
    happens if hard water is allowed to dry on a surface?  Water Spots.  What
    happens if those water spots aren't wiped up right away?  That's right;
    bring out the strong vinegar or CLS because normal washing won't hack it.
    This is evidence of a very active system that naturally sequesters carbon
    dioxide.  Generally, it takes volcanic action to return it to the
    atmosphere.
    
    Now, if they are so concerned about global warming and mercury from coal
    (By the way, just when did that turn up and is it in all coal supplies?),
    why aren't these environmental Cassandras telling us to go Nuclear?
    Remember, the original "Hydrogen Economy" was based on the premise of
    cheap, plentiful electrical supply produced by thermonuclear energy.
    (Then, they found out how incredibly difficult controlled nuclear fusion is
    to achieve.)
    
    Yours Truly,
    Jerome C. Borden
    Layton, UT
    Not that far from the source of "Cold Fusion".  [ ; --))
    
    
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