[Also be sure to read Orin Kerr's message I just sent along too. --Declan] -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Legal WiFi article Response by Drew from WiFiMaps.com Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:57:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Drew from Zhrodague <drew@private> To: declan@private > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Article on wardriving > Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 19:33:39 -0600 > From: Patrick S. Ryan <patrick.ryan@private> > Organization: PSRLaw Firm, LLC > To: declan@private > > Declan, > > I just published a law-review article that considers > wardriving and, more broadly, disclosure policies. I > conclude that wardriving is legal and that there is an > intriguing movement afoot among "hackers" to form an ethical > code. I am doing a bit of promotion of my article -- it is > freely available either on SSRN or online at the Virgina > Journal of Law & Technology's site. Here are the details if > you would like to pass it along to Politech readers. > > Patrick S. Ryan, "War, Peace, or Stalemate: Wargames, > Wardialing, Wardriving, and the Emerging Market for Hacker > Ethics," Virginia Journal of Law & Technology, Vol. 9, No. > 7, Summer 2004, available at http://ssrn.com/abstract=585867. > > Best, > > Patrick > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- Whew, it's nice to hear people saying nice things about wardriving! For those of us that do wardrive, we're not interested in how many systems we can hack, or trading warez, or any of that -- we just want to see where and how many. Let me explain: For me, a while ago, during the initial explosion of the Internet, I worked at an ISP dealing with dialup and tiny frame-relay connections. I thought that there would be a better way to deliver high-speed internet, and came accross some Breezecom equipment online. The thought of 3Mbps blew my mind, and when I went to my boss (Ed DeHart), he mentioned something about TNCs, and packet radio. No interest. That made me mad. Sometimes I still get a look as if I had 5 heads when I talk about wireless Internet. Now I see that Wi-Fi is almost everywhere, an one of the projects I work on is geared towards proving that -- http://www.WiFiMaps.com, a web-based map of data collected by wardrivers. Now you can see your neighborhood, the city you are visiting, or other places, and what they look like to wardrivers. Again, it's nice to see prominent people stating that wardriving is not (hacking|illegal|kiddie-porn). Thank you. -- Drew from Zhrodague http://www.WiFiMaps.com drew@private Location Based WiFi -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [nycwireless] [Politech] New law review article on whether wardriving is legal [priv] Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 18:25:54 +0100 From: vortex <vortex@private> Reply-To: vortex@private Organization: free2air To: Declan McCullagh <declan@private> CC: politech@private, "Patrick S. Ryan" <patrick.ryan@private>, nycwireless@private References: <20040907115659.A21677@private> warpedallaz is the world's longest running group dedicated to wireless network cartography, and has significantly contributed to the mapping and promotion of discovery and study of all the varied consequences of computer RF wireless emanations. We have tracked, for example, the case of Stephan Puffer of Austin, TX, likely the first person to be indicted for the act of receiving DHCP information over an open wifi network (effectively an explicitly open invitation to join a network). In the end, his case was thrown out of court. And the significance of this cannot be understated. It sets a precedent for any and every network operator and provider. free2air and warpedallaz only recommend passive data collection over the airwaves (ie listening only to wifi beacon broadcast packets). This is information that is effectively public domain. At least in a localised sense. At the same time, whilst proclaiming this, we have been accused of (by british press of) "stealing 100's of millions of pounds of corporate data". We wish!! We believe it comes down to what constitutes human intention behind the technology. If an open wifi network exists, how can you divine a human intention behind that? Is it through ignorance, or more purposeful or political intent? As many others do, we hope for the latter. But technology and the law are having a hard time catching up with us. shine brightly, .vortex for information about warpedallaz, email info (at) free2air.net. to subscribe to the warpedallaz list, http://lists.free2air.org/mailman/listinfo/warpeddlaz legal-issues (at) networkcommons.org is a list dedicated to the global legal issues of running an open public network, including an open, public, wireless network, to subscribe, visit http://lists.free2air.org/mailman/listinfo/legal-issues _______________________________________________ Politech mailing list Archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ Moderated by Declan McCullagh (http://www.mccullagh.org/)
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