Hi all. I have been in IT security for just a couple of years now. But to execute projects to the satisfaction of the demanding customer, we as technical people had to unlearn and learn a lot of new things along with changing technology. This involves many sleepless nights of study, lab work, firefighting on live networks and handling myriad security incidents. This is not to be estimated at a cheap value. Agreed that the dot com bubble was a fiasco. But to identify the info.security industry as another dot com bubble shows a less informed decision. We as information security professionals, strive to protect the millions of dollars worth investment made (not only by dot commers) but also a multitude of brick and mortar companies. As Ken rightly said, there is a difference in Quality and Quantity. The difference will be evident when an employee who is hired for "realistic pay packet" is not able to protect the corporate IT assets - this not only will result in corporate losses but also as a loss of confidence for the "head hunting" agencies. At last - a request. We are not the heads to be hunted. Why cant we use a more positive name instead? :) Regards Arun. -----Original Message----- From: Ken Pfeil [mailto:Kenat_private] Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 4:54 AM To: tadiat_private; Jeff Gentry; securityjobsat_private Subject: RE: "Peanut Gallery" There's been some good postings and sound advice from the "headhunter" (your words, not mine) community on this, but this ain't one of 'em. The gloom and doom "take whatever we give you" attitude will only find you desperate people that will jump ship the first chance they get. You will not find the seasoned security or IT professional looking for a home to hang his hat at this way. The "variety" you describe is the very thing that may sink the ship that your customer hopes to set sail. Quantity and quality are two completely different things. You of all people should realize this. If you don't, you are doing your customer and candidate a great disservice both. A little respect and a professional manner in dealing with us is all we ask. I certainly was not a "dot-com millionaire", nor would I ever expect to become one in a market as strapped as this. No person with resonable expectations would. And believe it or not, it still IS a short skill market if you are talking to the right people. Not every person that can point a vuln scanner at a system or run a posted script does a security professional make. Regards, (My REAL name inserted here- Ken Pfeil) > -----Original Message----- > From: tadiat_private [mailto:tadiat_private] > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 5:09 AM > To: Jeff Gentry; securityjobsat_private > Subject: "Peanut Gallery" > > > > the market will not pick up, the dot com era is history. I have trouble > explaining this concept to security people world wide when they > ask for jobs > and hit me with a dotcom millionaire's salary and package > requirements. the > supply of candidates floating around unemployed and available has > multiplied. everyone is taking less money because of the demand > for jobs and > the quantity of candidates available gives employers much more variety to > pick from in what was once a "skill short market" welcome back > to reality. > > > -a head-hunter > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Gentry [mailto:listuserat_private] > Sent: 25 June 2001 01:41 > To: Mark Villanova > Cc: Kenat_private; securityjobsat_private > Subject: RE: Random Thoughts from the "Peanut Gallery" > > > > out there. And this market slump cannot last forever. When the market > > improves, companies will have to pay us what we are worth or lose us to > > One could make the argument that most of us were being overpaid in the > recent upswing, and that things like this are merely bringing wages back > in line with reality. > > -- > Jeff Gentry jesterat_private gentrjat_private > SEX DRUGS UNIX > >
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